Well said Mishe
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Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2016, 17:17
Subject: Re: FOR PROPHET OFEGUE ALONE....PLEASE
NtemfacK the Prophet wrote:
"The so-called SCNC was created by a permissive cabal of self-seeking goons"
Ngia Prophet Ntchwete Aloy Shoes Obouh Fegue
Did you actually write this very vexatious nonsense against your comrades of yesterday? How then do you expect some of us to voluntarily join the SC pala pala when guys like you are so intolerant and always prepared to send someone to your guillotine if your point of view is not espoused? It is very true that "our people" are very difficult when it comes to self governance. Too many "Book Peepoo" and everyone wants to be the boss. Look at Bayangui people. The guys are so educated that out of every five Manyu "elites" four are either PhD Nkong Nwane Doktas or Doktas of Merecine, Doktas in the Military, Pharmacy Doktas, even Doktas of Engineering.
Lie no sweet. DNA prove say Book flop Bayangui peepoo dem belle.
I know one Pah @ 68 who is going for his third Doctorate degree. The beauty of the whole thing is that, he is in school with his grand kids. I personally wish I could also go back to Ndah Nwahne but " Over-NDUH and other "Bad-Tings" don spoil my sense.
Now you call a meeting of SCNC with all these trong trong book peepoo; who are you going to put as the final "Big Man" to Chair the deliberations? So instead of smearing ya mblallas dem with "sucess du temps passe" insults; I advice you to respect them propolly.
By the way, why do you always come out or portray yourself as a very angry pah norh? Bro, take am easy oh. Life is too short to be going around fighting with everyone. Reduce your adrenaline levels here: http://www.wikihow.com/Control-an-Adrenaline-Rush
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Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [camnetwork] Re: [cameroon_politics] AYAH Paul Blasts BIYA, Praises SCNC For Fighting a Good Fight
Dear Prof Ayim,
You hit a sore nail on a sore head about the 2000-2002 processes and the current Bafia danse entertained and sustained by the usual suspects. I may have to give it to some folks in a suppository should the spirit move me.Consider for instance: When Southern Cameroonians crafted the gentleman's accord that the leader MUST always come from the so-called South West it was not a favour to the children of the deep South. It was in recognition of a given - from Kuva Likenye to Endeley to Luma to Ndoki to Ebong, the children of our forests had EARNED the right to lead by their EXPLOITS. The SCPC was controverted and the so-called SCNC, created by a permissive cabal of self-seeking goons just to undermine the transition to STATEHOOD and its attendant self-government and ergo maintain the struggle in GROUP-HOOD. The subverts have succeeded, or so it seems. December 31 1999: Proclamation of the Independence and Sovereignty of Southern Cameroons over Radio Buea by Mr-Justice Fred Ebong Alobwede with GRAND Zachary Nkwo cheer-leading and buying post event drinks. How exactly did we rewind from there to still be talking SCNC? Surely, this is witchcraft!
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:05 AM, 'Martin Ayim' via ambasbay <ambasbay@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Dear All:My recollection is that the forum had held through AAC I and AAC II. The SCNC had been transformed to a Constituent Assembly in 2000 to move forward to total restoration. In my view the SCNC should have ceased to exist. Unfortunately the SCNC was resurrected and the forward move buried. Why? This is the story of a forward and backward dance of a struggle.Leaders, execute the will of the people or step down.
Sent from my iPhoneProf Martin AYIM--Divine,YES. And its not just that. In one of Biya's traditional end of year messages he made mention of that: that there's no legal union howbeit not as clear as I have put it. His rabble rouser Issa tchiroma has also made a statement on that.That SCNC should act? How would they? Its leadership has nofollowing per se. That is why AYAH has prescribed for massa education. Just immagine that the commoners on the streets knew all these things!What I prescribe: a forum: a forum made of the All Anglophone lawyers, all political leaders of SC, Chiefs and fons. Before this forum, we should be aware that not all would prefer outright independence. A lot of compromise needs to be done. Who organises such a forum and who sponsors and who is willing to attend? These are the questions.------------------------------------------------------------------------"…Time has come, I believe, for our leaders to start training the youths to take over the baton. Effective, efficient and rigorous training does not constitute issuing subservient roles; rather, it involves sitting side by side on the round table for law, policy and decision making and thorough brainstorming on the normative values that undergird progressive issues. Ayah Paul of PAP takes great pleasure in working with the youths. I am proud to work with him..." Akoson A. Raymond.----------------------------------------------------------------------Akoson Raymond,Most of us live overseas and write without all the facts on our finger tips. If such a commission was set up and that conclusion arrived at, is that not grounds enough for corrective measures to be taken by us who are on the short end of the deal? Even without a referendum the SCNC has been generally recognized as the main organization charged with the restoration of SC Autonomy. With the so called findings as you mentioned in your posting, what stops them from declaring the Restoration? What has the UN got to do with it? Why do we hear about the UN all the time? Let the SCNC leadership take the right move and declare a Restoration of the status quo before 1972 and we go from there. From whom are they expecting permission to do that? There must be something holding them back that they have not disclosed to the Southern Cameroonians. Whatever that is , let us the SC people know what it is. Or they should let go the leadership of the SCNC to other people.FEN
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Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 10:25 AM
Subject: [camnetwork] Re: [cameroon_politics] AYAH Paul Blasts BIYA, Praises SCNC For Fighting a Good Fight
Be Whom It may Concern.1. Biya himself set up a team of experts prior to so-calledcinquantenaire celebrations to determine whether or notsuch document of legal union exists. And the team reportedin the negative. The burden of proof is on those who say thereis. Publish it!2. A summary of the press conference was given in point formso that detractors wouldn't come forward to try twisting the points.Very clearly stated it is that it is an individual's RIGHT to serve the people. And it is their RIGHT to receive remuneration.3. One would expect this twisted thought from women in Santa market and not from supposedly educated. That ONLY CPDM members should work as civil servants? Gimme a break! Almost all SDF National Exco members are directors of ministries and lecturers. Kamto of MRC is a University lecturer. Why should AYAH's case be different? Or somebody is so UNINFORMED that ALL MAGISTRATES are assigned through ONLY a presidential decree? Sicko!4. Name one other magistrate that has blasted Biya's judiciary as AYAH does. AYAH's appointment wasn't arranged nor negotiated. If BIYA cares, he should appoint AYAH president of the Supreme Court and the statements of facts from AYAH will always come.5. And who told numbskulls that AYAH is interested to run for future elections?6. When it was rumoured that Fru Ndi was being contacted for negotiation to become PM, people from a certain place came all out hailing the chairman that it would be a wise decision to clean the system from within. But when it is someone else from another place, it is bad. And we see on these replies that ALL who have blasted AYAH's criticisms are people from a certain place.7. Tribalist tendencies we see every where! Even as we mentioned that AYAH's current position doesn't come with a full salary and that he is consistently being pressured to sign presidential majority, numbskulls don't see this. And that he alone is the odd-man-out at the Supreme Court.Win liberation on the internet let's see.When we - youths from some place else - read these from SOME jigga-infested, we are shifted to the center!------------------------------------------------------------------------"…Time has come, I believe, for our leaders to start training the youths to take over the baton. Effective, efficient and rigorous training does not constitute issuing subservient roles; rather, it involves sitting side by side on the round table for law, policy and decision making and thorough brainstorming on the normative values that undergird progressive issues. Ayah Paul of PAP takes great pleasure in working with the youths. I am proud to work with him..." Akoson A. Raymond.----------------------------------------------------------------------On Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:28 PM, 'Pa Fru Ndeh' via ambasbay <ambasbay@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Jean-Bosco Tagne,Please can you make available to this wider audience the legal document that you claim exist?Thank you in advance.Blessed Be Cameroon
Pa Fru Ndeh
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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: [cameroon_politics] Re: [camnetwork] AYAH Paul Blasts BIYA, Praises SCNC For Fighting a Good Fight
With your mother from East Cameroon as a Beti and your father from West Cameroon as a Bamenda there's a legal union so please don't get sickThere is a legal document. Simply ask your papa and mama each will bring you that legal document. Also look at your birth certificate it is mentioned inTagneSent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® II, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message --------From: "Divine Rhyme hittback@yahoo.com [cameroon_politics]"Date:06/16/2016 06:49 (GMT-05:00)To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com, cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com, Ambasbay CamerGoogleGroup , DISCUSSION LIST MANYUSubject: [cameroon_politics] Re: [camnetwork] AYAH Paul Blasts BIYA, Praises SCNC For Fighting a Good FightHello AllIt makes me sick anytime I hear that there is no legal Union between West Cameroon and East Cameroon. This must be a very BIG LIE that the leaders of SCNC for lack of any explanation in their lack of progress in the Southern Cameroons issue It seems they know they cannot win and so they have come up with this bizarre excuse that there is no legal document defining the union.. I am personally not in position to make any statement about West Cameroon having legal union with East Cameroon or not. I absolutely know nothing about it. Of course I am just an ordinary citizen willing to support the cause. But can anyone provide a proof that this kind of legal document on the union does not exist? I mean a proof and not conjectures. I have heard before that the former UN Secretary General "handed" two flags to Mr Biya during one of his visits to Cameroon. That is a story whose significance has never dawned on me from the first time I heard about it. Handing over two flags to Mr. Biya? Why would he do any such thing? If that was true, since he was here to negotiate the Bakassi crises could it have meant that on behalf of the UN he brought these two flags to prove that there is evidence that West Cameroon had been a self governing territory recognized by the UN and then decided to unite with East Cameroon and that is why there were these flags at the UN? Couldn't it have been a symbolic gesture to acknowledge this simple fact? Why would the UN secretary general be transmitting information through gestures expecting us to deduce meanings from it? Why did the SCNC leadership see it only from the perspective that handing over the flags was to remind the Cameroon leadership that the two territories have never been legally bound? But the most important question here is - "why should the UNSG be using coded language on issues of such importance? If what the SCNC leadership is insinuating about this issue of handing over two flags can be true, can't a document be released by the UN to put that speculation to rest once and for all? What are they afraid of?Secondly this issue of "No legal Union" between East and West Cameroon is pure nonsense. What is the meaning of a legal "Union" in this situation? Why the emphasis that there is "NO LEGAL" union between the two territories? Does it mean there is a union that is not legal? Or do we mean 'no legal union' meaning that there is an illegal one? Whatever the situation i can the leadership of the SCNC bring out a status report about legality and illegality so far as the union is concerned? I am tired of hearing that there is no legal union between East Cameroon and West Cameroon. What does that really mean?This is the way I see it. Let the SCNC bring out an official statement proving that there is nothing binding West Cameroon to East Cameroon. But if there is anything legal or illegal then they have been deceiving us all along. I say so because until they explain what illegal means so far as the UN is concerned in this matter, then the SCNC has been misleading West Cameroonians. Personally I am not in position to do that because I am just an ordinary citizen willing to accept and follow the directions of the leadership of the SCNC regarding the liberation of West Cameroon. But they must be open and truthful to us. If indeed the illegality of the Union is not a problem why can't they simply declare our autonomy regardless of the consequences and form a government? Let the SCNC leadership form a government complete with local appendages having local identifications like place names and addresses; a detailed breakdown of services like post offices, taxation, custom services, police, health schools etc.What is the significance of this claim of having a legal or illegal union with East Cameroon? Let the SCNC leadership explain to us how being legal or illegal affects the union with East Cameroon. If illegal means there is no union at all and the UN knows about that what then stops them from declaring our autonomy and form a government immediately? What are they scared of? There are people who are prepared to take that risk regardless whether or not they are arrested by East Cameroon government. This does not mean these people want to challenge the leadership of the SCNC. NO.The SCNC has led us to believe that they know exactly what the situation about the union with East Cameroon is. Let them publish such status report it with no embellishments and if we are convinced they have made a valid case, autonomy will be declared immediately. I don't think the UN would have anything to do with this anymore if the case of illegality is proven and if it means autonomy can be declared. I am raising this argument because I am beginning to convince myself that illegal or not West Cameroon cannot dissolve the Union with East Cameroon. There is an obstacle somewhere the SCNC is either unaware of, or they are not willing to share with us. If the Union with East Cameroon owes its existence or validity to a legal document which does not and has never existed, why are we still with them or under them?FEN
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Subject: [camnetwork] AYAH Paul Blasts BIYA, Praises SCNC For Fighting a Good Fight [8 Attachments]
[Attachment(s) from Akoson A. Raymond included below]AYAH Paul of the Supreme Court Blasts Biya- I am Not a member of CPDM;- I work for the Cameroonian people and not Biya;- As Supreme Court Advocate General, I serve the interest of Cameroon and not an individual;- I repeat that there is no legal union between the Southern Cameroons and La Republique du Cameroun. The SCNC is fighting a great legal battle. I support them and I am ready to lead the Southern Cameroons for dialogue with La Republique.PAP Press Conference of June 11, 2016The president of Popular Action Party (previously People's Action Party), PAP – His HRH Hon. Lord Justice AYAH Paul Abine, with all members (except one) of his National Executive Committee faced the Cameroonian press to address the current state of the party. Journalists seized the opportunity to ask questions on other burning issues namely his current stance on the Southern Cameroons palaver, his relationship with the Biya regime and much more… Find below a synopsis.1. People's Action Party, PAP is now called Popular Action Party, PAP. The name was changed on Saturday, the 27th day of February, 2016 by the PAP National Council and as by law required, MINATD was duly notified.2. AYAH Paul Abine remains the President of PAP. Three non-active members agitated in Kumba and claimed that they'd dismissed AYAH from PAP. And in a desperate attempt to want to sell their papers, some journalists descended to some low by front-paging the story on their paper. No career journalist much less a professional one would publish such trash as three miserable individuals calling a press conference and purporting to expel a member of a party, let alone when such member is the head of the party.3. There's no law in Cameroon that precludes a career magistrates from actively participating in politics. Therefore, there's no incompatibility between being PAP President and 'Advocat General' of the Supreme Court. AYAH challenges anyone to quote the law and not make empty noise!4. AYAH is NOT a member of CPDM. AYAH has repeatedly refused to sign 'Presidential Majority'. And even upon pressure including slashing his salary into four since after taking up the Supreme Court job, AYAH has stood his ground. AYAH remains an opposition political figure and the widely held remour that he has joined Biya is orchestrated by CPDM to strain PAP's good reputation. AYAH is NOT on Biya's payroll but on the payroll of the Cameroonian people. Cameroonians must understand that to serve fellow Cameroonians is a right and obligation especially after having taken the oath of office 'to do justice to all manner of people without fear or favour'. A career assignment by whoever is not some favour but recognition of professional astuteness cum experience. AYAH is serving the Cameroonian people and NOT a single individual.5. AYAH congratulates and praises the SCNC and others for staying the cause on a legal pathway towards resolving the Southern Cameroons palaver and insists that there's no legal union between La Republique du Cameroun and the Southern Cameroons. AYAH is willing to lead a Southern Cameroons delegation to discuss with La Republique du Cameroon.AYAH and PAP thought to make these points clear.PAP National Working Secretariat------------------------------------------------------------------------"…Time has come, I believe, for our leaders to start training the youths to take over the baton. Effective, efficient and rigorous training does not constitute issuing subservient roles; rather, it involves sitting side by side on the round table for law, policy and decision making and thorough brainstorming on the normative values that undergird progressive issues. Ayah Paul of PAP takes great pleasure in working with the youths. I am proud to work with him..." Akoson A. Raymond.----------------------------------------------------------------------
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