I meant in being able to take certain pro-active steps towards counselling or safeguarding our girl children, avoiding any untoward incidents. Not intending any curbs on their freedom or implying gender bias. Institutions need to take a joint responsibility with the willing parents and children towards their protection on campus.Ofcourse the information should be secure and not accessible to unwanted or unrelated interests.
On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Usha Gowri <usha.gowri@gmail.com> wrote:
@ ShanathPl help me understand your concern .any institution needs to be sensitive and protect itself from possibilities of any incidents that could malign its interests and is justified in seeking any relevant information which may be necessary to avoid such serious embarrassments later. These would be in the best interest of the institution, the girl students and the families concerned, as long as precautions are taken to ensure that the collected information is not misused.Meaning what?a girl having a relationship? becoming pregnant?For the boys ok? So if a girl becomes pregnant the University can be in court? really? on what basis?Embarrassment? whose?Not justifiable.It is obnoxious from any dimensionMy competition is not against the runner next to me.It is against the runner inside of me.Let go or get dragged.: for "The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance." — Alan WattsOn Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 9:30 AM, shanath kumar <shanathk@gmail.com> wrote:It is not fair to judge this issue based on these facts alone. In a country where the legal and security systems do not deliver or do not deliver fast, any institution needs to be sensitive and protect itself from possibilities of any incidents that could malign its interests and is justified in seeking any relevant information which may be necessary to avoid such serious embarrassments later. These would be in the best interest of the institution, the girl students and the families concerned, as long as precautions are taken to ensure that the collected information is not misused.--On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Kuldeep Nagi <kuldeepn@hotmail.com> wrote:--I am surprised that in the biggest democracy in the world we are asking girls to respond to such stupid questions. I think the universities and bodies that are behind such stupidity needs to be taken to task. Young girls or boys should refuse answering any questions about their personal life including health and medical issues. Excepting for gender all other identifiers should be eliminated from the forms including, caste, creed, and religion. All other particulars that turn young people into vote banks should also be eliminated. In India, all issues related to personal identity and privacy needs legal protection.
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From: join_mtc@googlegroups.com <join_mtc@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Usha Gowri <usha.gowri@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Rajasthan varsity seeks details of students' menstrual cycle, pregnancy statusDoes anyone know of any other University in the world that asks these questions for some very relevant reasons? And those relevant details are like ? Menstruation is such a natural process and its like asking do you breath? how many breaths? etcAbortion is an altogether take.Why ask only the woman? what about the other half that caused it? To a married woman...is that what the form says...and if she is married ,how does it matter if she aborts the child? what morality are we emphasizing here?
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Let go or get dragged.
On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Prabhakar Waghodekar <waghodekar@rediffmail.com> wrote:
It is true like any other regulatory bodies university is the apex body in education, the domain of intellectual play and knowledge. Any notification issued by such authorities is a matter of concern as it helps set social culture. What is the motive/intention behind such a notification? Whim, dominance, to overcome some emergent issue, based on facts/environment, or any other scientific reason? To look at the notification from purely gender discrimination point of view is of no avail.
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@Prof Usha,
Thanks Professor for putting through your thoughts, I respect your points of concerns even being disagreeing in-toto.
On cause of personal right, I do agree with few of senses, however, I do not agreeing with history of abortion, students' case to forwarded to legal action in court of Indian law. The University does not follow any legal action, itself reflects its sense of use of information, and reason of information just to maintain some background to capture the possible culprits, if such mishappenings occurs in the future.
Yes, I do agree the boys students must also be asked for such information, otherwise, it is purely cause of gender biasness.
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--On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Usha Gowri <usha.gowri@gmail.com> wrote:
@Prof SatvatThere is a whole world of difference between my mother and the University. I won't go there anyway.Why should it not be asked is a good question.One if I have a problem I can go to a doctor-I don't have to declare it to the University .If I say I have a problem will the University foot my medical bills? Admit me to the hospital?Shouldn't we then in our altruism also ask about all other diseases-asthma,heart ,liver ,kidney...too so teh Univ hospital is prepared for it?Second: If a woman had an abortion it is her personal right and no one's business.So if the University knows she had an abortion would the next question in kindness be: why?Third: Because it impinges on my rights .Should we asking the boys about their sexual preferences? If they are gay? and why not?Shouldn't the University make arrangements for it too? Infact this topic is not taboo but it is not a question that will be asked in any decent forum.How would you like it if your duaghter was asked all these questions say in an interview in a Corporate ?And most importantly- WHY?We are constantly demeaning ourselves in front of the world-utter lack of knowledge of human rights.Not amazed though-considering the state from which it is coming from.Its disgusting.Period.REgardsUsha
My competition is not against the runner next to me.It is against the runner inside of me.
Let go or get dragged.
Dear Academicians,
I don't know why does it sound odd. I am dare to say, if it right cause and do not be disclosed to others, and objectives are rightfully met without any misuse of the info, then what is problem. My mind is unable to get it. I am getting some parenting senses of the University as been reflected in the answer given by the alumni who did B.Tech. (Biotechnology). We should come out of the our orthodox cell, and be courageous to accept its prime good senses behind asking so called sensitive info. I know, my senses and my word may be criticised by a few of members. But I am sure, as mother (due her sensible parenthood) ask such info from her daughter to take care of effectively, then is it wrong. Therefore, I urge all intel mind to be critical and same time not only for cause of critique but for cause of creativity and benefitting.
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On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:33 PM, 'JAYASRI INDIRAN' via Management Teachers Consortium, Global <join_mtc@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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--Hindustan Times: A women's university in Rajasthan has asked students details of their menstrual cycle and reproductive status in a health-profile form that comes with the admission application, a practice described as disgusting and intrusive by activists.Banasthali University in Tonk, which is 85 km from Jaipur, is a popular residential facility set up to promote higher education in the desert state, where women are way down the social ladder.While the "intrusive form" has come under attack from rights activists, vice-chancellorWhile the "intrusive form" has come under attack from rights activists, vice-chancellor Aditya Shastri says the record helps the university provide better healthcare to students. says the record helps the university provide better healthcare to students.(HT Photo )
Students refused to talk about the questionnaire. The alumni were divided on the university seeking these details but they all agreed that the form has been there for some time.Shwetangi Goyal, who completed B Tech (Biotechnology) in 2015, recalled a question that asked if her menstrual cycle was irregular. "But I think it is well within the university management's rights to ask such questions. They ask them to maintain a health profile of the students," she said.Students are also asked about their last menstruation date, visits to a gynaecologist -- if any -- and married women are asked if they are pregnant or have had an abortion.The form took her by surprise, said Shweta Singh, who graduated from the university earlier this year. "It was the first time that I saw a form in which all these details were required. The first thing that struck me… was why do they want to know these things? All these details are personal," said Singh, an IT engineer.The university started maintaining gynaecological profiles of students after a newborn was found dead in one of the hostels, university sources said."The health profile form is filled after the students are admitted to the university, and the questions pertain to their health," vice-chancellor Shastri said. "There are a couple of gynaecological questions too, but they apply only to married students. Unmarried students are not asked any questions regarding their sexual health."But, contrary to Shastri's claims questions about "sexual health" are posed to all students. The health-profile form is part of a 10-page admission application.Kavita Srivastava, a member of the People's Union for Civil Liberties, a rights body, said the form violated privacy. "It is an utterly disgusting practice. It impinges on the privacy of female students, and the university has absolutely no right to ask such questions," she said."Details of a person's body cannot be made public. Such information can only be shared with one's doctor." The questions should be withdrawn immediately, Srivastava said.The health-profile formFor all students1) Do you have regular menstruation?2) When did your menstruation last occur?3) Have you consulted a doctor for any gynaecological problem?For married women1) Are you pregnant now?2) What was the date of your last delivery?3) Have you ever had an abortion, miscarriage or caesarian section?--
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