Dear Sir,
Greetings of the Day !!!
I am not throwing any stones - neither I live in a glass house. Neither I have a habit of throwing anything - I am putting facts with honesty before the members with ground realities -it will not be called living in a glass house Sir.
Mr.Prithivi has forwarded an article of Mr.Sudhir Bhist - his article is called as writing sitting in a glass house - no relevance to the founders who have been awarded highest civilian awards - just for sake of writing a column -he writes - he finds an audience - and we read it with glee.
You have referred ISB - founded in 2001 - World Ranking 33 - Only Indian Institute in Top 50 of the world.
From 2001 till date many PGP programs - Thousands of students have passed out - many students have made up with good jobs - One Student makes a mark - he is Bhavesh Agarwal - Founder of OLA - his car pooling project in ISB was a hit - he company is referred along with UBER.
Rest of the students are there either trying on their own or working with good pay packets.
My point of reference is - had there been more no of students like Bhavesh from ISB - ISB would have beaten good Universities of the world.
MORE Students would pursue ISB entrepreneurship programs aggressively and more entrepreneurs in making -
Some where we have lost out in providing the quality as ISB was hit as known to all Members.
As I have a RIGHT to express myself - I am expressing my self after listening to the students - who are in search of Jobs and they are missing out.
I am referring to Osmania university - JNTU - UOH - Kakatiya University Students pursuing MBA Program in HYDERABAD.
My point these students are not finding Internship for their projects - nor they are considered for Management Trainees. It is very sad situation.
One such student MBA Finance from Womens College Koti - HYD who got Internship in Karvy - did well - got hired with 2 years contract with a meagre salary - after 2 years the company informs that performance is not upto the mark we may not continue with further employment.
She ends up as a Receptionist for a MNC on a contract basis for 6 Months.
(As I do not throw stones at Others sitting in a glass house - I write with honesty and live more like life of Chairman Sir - in Sabbatical for the past 10 years - helping individuals in what best I can. My only testimonial is Mr.Ramesh Vemuganti who have introduced me to MTC G. Kindly check with him.)
I have advised her to take up CA article ship with a good firm and simultaneously write ICWA - and apply for Chartered Secretary. Last heard ICWA inter cleared.
I live alone with one Principle of Swami Vivekananda - " They alone live who live for others "
In Volume 6 - he says " Go to HELL yourself by doing good to others"
I try my best every day by doing good to others. Making Good Happen.
Good day folks.
@VijayChaitanyam.
With Regards,
Vijay Chaitanyam Kumar Samala.
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Greetings of the Day !!!
I am not throwing any stones - neither I live in a glass house. Neither I have a habit of throwing anything - I am putting facts with honesty before the members with ground realities -it will not be called living in a glass house Sir.
Mr.Prithivi has forwarded an article of Mr.Sudhir Bhist - his article is called as writing sitting in a glass house - no relevance to the founders who have been awarded highest civilian awards - just for sake of writing a column -he writes - he finds an audience - and we read it with glee.
You have referred ISB - founded in 2001 - World Ranking 33 - Only Indian Institute in Top 50 of the world.
From 2001 till date many PGP programs - Thousands of students have passed out - many students have made up with good jobs - One Student makes a mark - he is Bhavesh Agarwal - Founder of OLA - his car pooling project in ISB was a hit - he company is referred along with UBER.
Rest of the students are there either trying on their own or working with good pay packets.
My point of reference is - had there been more no of students like Bhavesh from ISB - ISB would have beaten good Universities of the world.
MORE Students would pursue ISB entrepreneurship programs aggressively and more entrepreneurs in making -
Some where we have lost out in providing the quality as ISB was hit as known to all Members.
As I have a RIGHT to express myself - I am expressing my self after listening to the students - who are in search of Jobs and they are missing out.
I am referring to Osmania university - JNTU - UOH - Kakatiya University Students pursuing MBA Program in HYDERABAD.
My point these students are not finding Internship for their projects - nor they are considered for Management Trainees. It is very sad situation.
One such student MBA Finance from Womens College Koti - HYD who got Internship in Karvy - did well - got hired with 2 years contract with a meagre salary - after 2 years the company informs that performance is not upto the mark we may not continue with further employment.
She ends up as a Receptionist for a MNC on a contract basis for 6 Months.
(As I do not throw stones at Others sitting in a glass house - I write with honesty and live more like life of Chairman Sir - in Sabbatical for the past 10 years - helping individuals in what best I can. My only testimonial is Mr.Ramesh Vemuganti who have introduced me to MTC G. Kindly check with him.)
I have advised her to take up CA article ship with a good firm and simultaneously write ICWA - and apply for Chartered Secretary. Last heard ICWA inter cleared.
I live alone with one Principle of Swami Vivekananda - " They alone live who live for others "
In Volume 6 - he says " Go to HELL yourself by doing good to others"
I try my best every day by doing good to others. Making Good Happen.
Good day folks.
@VijayChaitanyam.
With Regards,
Vijay Chaitanyam Kumar Samala.
9493979967 // 9246559095
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From: Jagan Mohan Reddy
Sent: 31-10-2016 12:46
To: join_mtc@googlegroups.com
Cc: exclusivembaglobal@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MTC Global] Management education has failed in India: Nirmalya Kumar
It has become a fashion to criticise others and find fault with the existing. But how many of these have tried to exercise their individual social responsibility.
I fully agree with you that an engineering degree with MBA doesn't endow outstanding problem solving skills while putting other MBA graduates with Arts background at a disadvantage. In fact for better diversity and creativity ISB started taking students with arts background of late to enrich their students lot.
Some of the big captains of industry who donate liberally to premiere bschools abroad are not helping the cause of two tier and three tier bschools. All stake holders need to chip in with patriotic fervour to rectify the anomalies in the present educational system.
With festive greetings
Dr A Jagan Mohan Reddy
On Monday 31 October 2016, Prabhakar Waghodekar <waghodekar@rediffmail.com> wrote:
On Monday 31 October 2016, Prabhakar Waghodekar <waghodekar@rediffmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Professor Vijayji.
I have no special comments save your views/arguments indicate ground realities of HE in India. We have hardly understood/digested the real concepts/philosophy of engineering and management education. And so also the PIOs who look at the Indian HE through Western eyes without realizing the Indian environment.
From: VIJAY CHAITANYAM <vijaysamala@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 11:26:21
To: <join_mtc@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [MTC Global] Management education has failed in India: Nirmalya Kumar
Dear Sir,
Greetings. Of the Day!!
Just for esteem members info -
Mr. Nirmalya Kumar has put his papers along with N.S.Rajan and Madhu Kannan to the Tata Group.
GEC has been dismantled on 24/10/2016.
Mr. N.Kumar comments Education system has failed in India. It surprises me because in his entire tenure he would have not spoken to NON IIT or an NON IIM.
Under their Helm of affairs (the above mentioned three Gentlemen) could any Engineering Graduate or Post Graduate rankers from Osmania University or JNTU of Hyderabad could get an entry in to the middle level Management of the group companies. The Answer is simply 'NO'.
Who has failed education system in India???
In my personal opinion the IIT and IIM - today IIT ian with an IIM MBA is consider as Demi God. He has the Privilege to enter directly to Sr.Level.
Mr Kumar himself mentions that selection examination process has no relevance to what he studies or to the fact Job that the student chooses as his job.
Again in my opinion he lacks empathy due to bookish knowledge and very far from reality. Few are always an exception - they are Navratnas - but Majority lack basic ground reality.
In Management I did not understand one thing how an Engg graduate with an MBA has more problem solving skills than a non Engg graduate because for any organisation it is not mathematical problems they are human problems.
No analytics are required just compassion - empathy and human touch.
Rest as prevails is our education system is known to all members.
Good Day Folks,
@VijayChaitanyam.
With Regards,
Vijay Chaitanyam Kumar Samala.
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From: Prof. Bholanath Dutta
Sent: 30-10-2016 20:51
To: join_mtc
Subject: [MTC Global] Management education has failed in India: Nirmalya Kumar--The traditional model of management education that has been practised in the country for decades has failed to serve its purpose, says Nirmalya Kumar, 56, member of the group executive council at Tata Sons, the holding company of the $108-billion, salt-to-software conglomerate.
This is evident from the massive outflow of management students seeking admission in foreign universities each year and the low level of internationally published research papers emanating from Indian business schools, adds Kumar, who is regarded as one of the world's leading management thinkers.
But green shoots of change are visible in the way management education is imparted in the country, with the arrival of some new-age business schools that appreciate the need of global managers for global businesses. In an interview, Kumar tells Forbes India that top management institutes here need to change their enrolment strategy and even hire teachers who have trained at top global institutions by offering them competitive salaries.
Edited excerpts:
In a sense, management education has failed in the country. Otherwise, so many people wouldn't be leaving the country to study abroad. We don't see too many Americans, Germans or Japanese students leaving their home countries to pursue higher studies.
Then comes the aspect of building world-class institutions. None of the Indian universities features among the top 200 in the World University Rankings (brought out by Times Higher Education). If you look at research, the entire universe of Indian faculty across management schools has together published less papers in leading international journals than I have over the course of my career. And I wasn't even the most productive in the world.
So business schools in India, especially the IIMs (Indian Institutes of Management), are stuck in the pre-1991 mentality, which is very much about controlling the supply of students that enter these schools and graduate each year, since there is no dearth of demand.
In that sense, these institutes function more like selection agencies who, through the entrance process, do a pre-selection of brilliant students for potential recruiters to choose from. The intellectual processing that they do with these students over the course of the academic tenure becomes irrelevant.
This model doesn't serve the country since those who can afford it prefer to study abroad and the intelligent ones get a scholarship. A majority of the remaining students are served by low-quality management schools that have sprung up across the country. They get a degree in business education from these colleges, but it has no value.[Source: Forbes India]EDUCATE, EMPOWER, ELEVATEProf. Bholanath DuttaFounder & PresidentMTC Global: An Apex Global Advisory Bodyin Management Education, ISO 9001: 2008Partner: UN Global Compact I UN Academic ImpactCell: +91 96323 18178 / +91 9964660759
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