Dear colleague> > >
> > > Starting a new thread.
> > >
> > > I would like to thank everyone for raising your concern about
> > > what's going on in Cameroon which is just another country added
> > > to the list of African countries that have experienced Internet
> > > shutdown. I am from the DRC and we have experienced this more
> > > than 3 times and I am in the best position to highly condem this
> > > new form of oppression.
> > >
> > > I would also like to thank everyone who have expressed their
> > > concern over what Mr. Janvier had to say about the shutdown in
> > > his country, where he volunteerly serve as ISOC Cameroon
> > > President. I join you all and condemn his position on this, which
> > > I can assure you, is his own position, not shared by his other
> > > colleagues at theISOC Chapter. Proof is he reacted to his other
> > > colleague who had a different view and who was making an appeal,
> > > asking for more coverage and action regarding what's going on in
> > > his country.
> > >
> > > For your information, ISOC has issued a statement
> > > <http://www.internetsociety.org/lets-keep-internet-everyone?utm_content=
> > bufferc442c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer>
> > > condemning the shutdown in Cameroon as well as in other countries.
> > > This show that ISOC, as an organization, does not support
> > > shutdowns but rather condem it firmly (as we all know).
> > >
> > > And, on a different mailing list, Mr. Nicolas Seidler
> > > <https://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/people/mr-nicolas-seidler >,
> > > who is Senior Policy Advisor for ISOC said the following:
> > >
> > > We felt it was time to formally express our long-standing
> > > concerns on such measures, in the context of the Cameroon
> > > situation and in view of others to come up in the future. We are
> > > also supporting and giving visibility to efforts from Access and
> > > members of the Keep it on campaign on our social media channels.
> > >
> > > And he reacted on Mr. Janvier's stance and ONLY had this to say:
> > > Finally, we have an ISOC Chapter in Cameroon, as in many other
> > > parts of the worlds. While not all members of Chapters share the
> > > same view (a Chapter is made of local volunteers, not staff),
> > > there are some who want to act and we'll make sure to direct them
> > > to Deji, Julie and others involved in the advocacy effort.
> > >
> > > >From the above, we understand that it was a personal point of
> > > >view from Mr.
> > > Janvier which, as most of our colleagues said here, is completely
> > > wrong. I do personally believe that when a single person is
> > > restricted access, this should be raised and condemned. In
> > > Cameroon, we have 2 regions affected and this is terrible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Now, coming back to the discussion on this list regarding a
> > > statement, I would like to suggest the following:*
> > > 1. We can issue a statement adressed to ISOC Global (to ISOC
> > > Executive Director for example) condemning the public stance
> > > taken by ISOC Cameroon President. May I suggest *Norbert and
> > > Mawaki* to make an initial draft statement and share with us
> > > within the next 48 hours (if at all possible)?
> > >
> > > 2. We then issue a more general statement condemning Internet
> > > shutdown across the world as a civil society coalition because I
> > > am sure this is the new form of opression that Gov are taking (as
> > > said by Snowden). It will be very useful we use the expertise we
> > > have here to draft this and circulate it widely in all networks
> > > as a way to condemn the act but also to raise awareness about the
> > > issue (which is still unfamiliar with those who are not actively
> > > involved in these discussions or who have never experienced any
> > > shutdown). *For this, I would like to ask request few volunteers
> > > to make an initial draft statement as well?*
> > >
> > > Please do let me know what you think or if there is another
> > > approach that we can all agree on and take action without
> > > wassting more time. If you want to be part of the team of 3 to
> > > draft the second statement, please do let us know on this list
> > > within the next 48 hours.
> > >
> > > Very best,
> > >
> > > Arsene, IGC Co-cooordinator
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> > >
> > > I would like to thank everyone for raising your concern about
> > > what's going on in Cameroon which is just another country added
> > > to the list of African countries that have experienced Internet
> > > shutdown. I am from the DRC and we have experienced this more
> > > than 3 times and I am in the best position to highly condem this
> > > new form of oppression.
> > >
> > > I would also like to thank everyone who have expressed their
> > > concern over what Mr. Janvier had to say about the shutdown in
> > > his country, where he volunteerly serve as ISOC Cameroon
> > > President. I join you all and condemn his position on this, which
> > > I can assure you, is his own position, not shared by his other
> > > colleagues at theISOC Chapter. Proof is he reacted to his other
> > > colleague who had a different view and who was making an appeal,
> > > asking for more coverage and action regarding what's going on in
> > > his country.
> > >
> > > For your information, ISOC has issued a statement
> > > <http://www.internetsociety.
> > bufferc442c&utm_medium=social&
> > > condemning the shutdown in Cameroon as well as in other countries.
> > > This show that ISOC, as an organization, does not support
> > > shutdowns but rather condem it firmly (as we all know).
> > >
> > > And, on a different mailing list, Mr. Nicolas Seidler
> > > <https://www.internetsociety.
> > > who is Senior Policy Advisor for ISOC said the following:
> > >
> > > We felt it was time to formally express our long-standing
> > > concerns on such measures, in the context of the Cameroon
> > > situation and in view of others to come up in the future. We are
> > > also supporting and giving visibility to efforts from Access and
> > > members of the Keep it on campaign on our social media channels.
> > >
> > > And he reacted on Mr. Janvier's stance and ONLY had this to say:
> > > Finally, we have an ISOC Chapter in Cameroon, as in many other
> > > parts of the worlds. While not all members of Chapters share the
> > > same view (a Chapter is made of local volunteers, not staff),
> > > there are some who want to act and we'll make sure to direct them
> > > to Deji, Julie and others involved in the advocacy effort.
> > >
> > > >From the above, we understand that it was a personal point of
> > > >view from Mr.
> > > Janvier which, as most of our colleagues said here, is completely
> > > wrong. I do personally believe that when a single person is
> > > restricted access, this should be raised and condemned. In
> > > Cameroon, we have 2 regions affected and this is terrible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Now, coming back to the discussion on this list regarding a
> > > statement, I would like to suggest the following:*
> > > 1. We can issue a statement adressed to ISOC Global (to ISOC
> > > Executive Director for example) condemning the public stance
> > > taken by ISOC Cameroon President. May I suggest *Norbert and
> > > Mawaki* to make an initial draft statement and share with us
> > > within the next 48 hours (if at all possible)?
> > >
> > > 2. We then issue a more general statement condemning Internet
> > > shutdown across the world as a civil society coalition because I
> > > am sure this is the new form of opression that Gov are taking (as
> > > said by Snowden). It will be very useful we use the expertise we
> > > have here to draft this and circulate it widely in all networks
> > > as a way to condemn the act but also to raise awareness about the
> > > issue (which is still unfamiliar with those who are not actively
> > > involved in these discussions or who have never experienced any
> > > shutdown). *For this, I would like to ask request few volunteers
> > > to make an initial draft statement as well?*
> > >
> > > Please do let me know what you think or if there is another
> > > approach that we can all agree on and take action without
> > > wassting more time. If you want to be part of the team of 3 to
> > > draft the second statement, please do let us know on this list
> > > within the next 48 hours.
> > >
> > > Very best,
> > >
> > > Arsene, IGC Co-cooordinator
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| 2:29 AM (14 hours ago)  | | ||
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Dear Arsène, Norbert, Mawaki
I appreciate your enthusiasm in your role. You are no more human rights activist than we are, or even more open internet activist than we are in ISOC Cameroon Chapter.
We volunteer each day to work to make the Internet as open and accessible as possible to our local population. I do not need to show out here on this platform the actions and projects achieved so far. So you must understand that, we can not endorse a privation of the Internet to our population for whom we promote the open access of the Internet.
I regret that you have misunderstand some words of my first mail on the matter.
I would like to thank you for your concern on the case of Cameroon and also thank you for the declarative solution approach you are currently proposing. However, note that:
1) Cameroon is in a situation of war against Boko Haram,
2) Cameroon is in a situation of war against the secessionists, who have at one time erected their flag inside one part of the territory, no one knows by who they are supported and financed.
3) the current socio-political context is complex, and adding to that, there is still a lack of knowledge for using Internet tools by a big part of the population.
4) facing all of that, the government has taken security measures in its own way, some may be considered unfair, but it is wise for us to try to seat with them, discuss and work for the better solution, because we think that they need to be sensitized and educated about the better used of the Internet technologies and policies.
5) In a situation of conflict and crisis in a given country, there will be no an universal solution as you tend to suggest from your respective offices.
6) I chaired the ISOC Cameroon General Annual Assembly on Saturday 28 January 2017, this issue was addressed. Not need to expose its minutes to you here.
So If you really want to help, please check back your proposal.
I wanted to appeal the Internet Community, those who made a phone call to us to encourage us, and all the others of the community, to keep trusting ISOC Cameroon Chapter, who is working hard on the field to solve the issue.
Best regards.
Janvier Ngnoulaye, Ph.D
ICT Teacher at the University
President of the ISOC Cameroon Chapter.
Activist of "The Internet is for everyone"
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| Arsène Tungali |
| 7:13 AM (9 hours ago) | |
| 10:18 AM (6 hours ago) | | ||
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Dear Arsène et al.
We deliberately decided to keep it short, on purpose. This should not be approached as an input from IGC to a complex global policy issue, on the world stage. (Not to mention that we did not want this to get into endless debates as IGC is accustomed to.) Neither did we want it to take a turn to, or us to be suspected of, lecturing. That's why we further motivated the exercise, with a narrow focus, by recalling the specific communication that prompted it.
You can see from Javier's first response that even those precautions prove not to be enough to warrant our declaration, in his view. Apparently he would want us to withdraw altogether from, and keep quiet, on the issue (if I'm being mistaken here on the implications of your response, I stand to be corrected.)
In the meantime, I personally think our above described precautions should suffice. The statement doesn't get into the presumably complex political and security issues that the government might be dealing with on the ground. In the communication that prompted our statement, maybe Janvier just got carried away in an attempt to avoid a wholesale condemnation of his country in the global community of civil society. But the email posted is there including terms and a rationale which are unacceptable to us, and we needed to express our concern and register our disapproval of such. We are not making claims as to how hard working and committed ISOC Cameroon may or may not be toward facilitating Internet access to all in Cameroon, in ordinary times.
Mawaki
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| 10:51 AM (5 hours ago) | | ||
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P.S. In my previous email, at the end of that sentence where I mention "political and security issues... on the ground" I would want to insert the following as a footnote. Whatever the issue at hand and the legitimacy of fighting against it, it still appears to be the predominant view among CS that shutting down the Internet does not resolve the problem while taking related rights and freedoms away from people the overwhelming majority of whom have nothing to do in causing the problem. Anyone, including from among concerned ISOC Chapter members, is free to agree with the government approach on this, or try to justify it, and anyone else is equally free to disapprove of it. That's basically all IGC is trying to do through this statement, taking into account in this specific context the kind of expectations one would hold toward any group of people claiming membership to ISOC.
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| 12:43 PM (4 hours ago) | | ||
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Dear all
Mr Janvier Gnoulaye writes.
"Cameroon is in a situation of war against the secessionists, who have at one time erected their flag inside one part of the territory, no one knows by who they are supported and financed.
Can some remind Janvier that Boko Haram uses arms that are bought from abroad in their killings of our national and no one deemed it necessary to cut Internet from that part of the territory.
Who are the seccesionists? Let him clarify. He talks of people flying flags. So what? When Obama won elections in America did we not see Americans fly the secessionist flags and a petition of over 500 000 South Americans calling for the southern states to opt out of the union?.What nonsense is this about secession? Is the call for state nationalism not same in Corsiga in France, Scotland, Catalona et all.
He talks of Cameroon being at war with secessionists, the government of cameroons has killed many anglophones through fire arms since the beginning of the current crisis and many are reported missing. I challenge Monsieur Janvier Gnoulaye to tell the world the name of one Cameroonian soldier that has been killed bu us the "secessionists". In the North we hear of Boko Haram killing Cameroon soldiers. How comes there is war with secessionists and we have mainly secessionists killed. Did great America achieve that in its wars in the American countries. Ladies and gentlemen, let it dawn on you all that ISOC Cameroon is an arm of government.
Delphine Nana, (je t'ai copié cet mail) as-tu assisté à la réunion avec Janvier Gnoulaye? Pourquoi est-tu silencieux sur cette affaire? Solidarité francophone oblige n'est ce pas? Y-a-t-il guerre entre les sécessionnistes au Cameroun? Quel est le nom du Général sécessionniste.
Agien Nyangkwe (Aaron) is my name and I approve the above message
| 1:01 PM (3 hours ago) | | ||
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I'm in full agreement with all of Mawaki's points below.
Greetings,
Norbert
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Greetings,
Norbert
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trying to reason with air-headed clowns such as janvier does not make any sense! he has no sense of history or fairness!
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Sent: February 1, 2017 5:43 AM
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