Dear All,
There is a difference between SSC, HSC and NEET or JEE or CET exams. SSC OR HSC is assessing one's learning outcome, after tutoring. These are called achievement tests (whether he achieved the required level of knowledge/information in the category). However, NEET, JEE CET supposed to be an aptitude tests, where they assess a candidate has required aptitude for particular field of education. They are assessed before the candidate go for that field of education. Theoretically it supposed to be spontaneous and checks one's ability to do the course.
Higher achievers in 10 th and 12th may not be capable of scoring well in medical or engineering courses, where the aptitude and interest matters (to the extent personality also). These can be assessed through other methods also (psychometric assessments). However, they limitations while assessing lakhs of students. Many aptitude tests can be assessed through group testing and cheaper also. Especially in India, we have very high population and resources are less, aptitude testing is inevitable. Also note that aptitude can vary with training!! (that is the reason tutoring institutions are mush rooming). It is possible to score high in the aptitude test with moderate level aptitude and least interested in the course with training (this may be one of the reason for suicides in this population).
But it does not address the remaining 98% of students, who are not fit for IIT's and NIT's. It has to be taken at policy level, probably skill development is the alternative.
Regards,
Prof. Vijendra Kumar S.K.
Assistant Professor & Counseling Psychologist,
Centre for Counseling and Career Guidance,
PES University, Bengaluru
On Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:39 AM, Prabhakar Waghodekar <waghodekar@rediffmail.com> wrote:
"NEET may become obsolete because everyone scores same after tutoring!!" excellent observation. How will you decide the merit of students if every one gets 100% marks? This is already happening in a few Delhi Commerce colleges! This time one student gets full marks for JEE!! Full automation means 100 % score. Earn it.
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Dr. P H Waghodekar, PhD (Egg), IIT,KGP, IE&M, 1985,
Advisor (HR), IBS & PME (PG)
Marathwada Institute of Technology,
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Dear All,
NEET is good on long run. We need to raise our syllabus standard to that level. NEET levels all section, region and differences. It filters equally. However, we need to think that after some years, NEET may become obsolete because everyone scores same after tutoring!!
Regards,
Prof. Vijendra Kumar S.K.
Assistant Professor & Counseling Psychologist,
Centre for Counseling and Career Guidance,
PES University, Bengaluru
On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:39 PM, Prof. Marmar Mukhopadhyay <marmar.mukhopadhyay@gmail.com> wrote:
JEE and NEET. This is an unfortunate anomaly; and possibly a easy way out.
We have never made a good study on who makes a doctor or who makes an engineer; with the exception of Dr. TV Rao's doctoral thesis "Doctor in Making", as far as I have seen.
There is no evidence that a good student of PCM makes a good engineer though a good engineer needs good PCM background.
There is no evidence that a good bio group student makes a good doctor, though a good doctor needs good Bio group background.
No wonder, more than 80% qualified engineers are not employable in India. We still have not come across such study on qualified doctors. It's some thing more than PCM or Bio Group that makes a good engineer or a doctor. Identifying that 'more' to PCM and Bio group has been missing as that requires research.
New government, new vision, new enthusiasm should be able to see through this anomaly. CBSE is an examining body; it cannot and should not be expected to bridge this research gap. Research Institutions in Engineering and Medicine should take the lead.
About the mess of NEET, the issue is over played by both CBSE in formulating its dress code and over jealous implementation by some centres. India is a multicultural country. Imposing a dress code violates local cultural practices. I have all along used Kurta and Dhoti or Pyjama. I could not have entered the exam hall as half sleeve kurtas are only recent invention. CBSE needs to reexamine its dress code so that for a few mischievous candidates majority of honest candidates are not harassed. Pareto principle - to control 20% mischief mongers, we punished 80% genuine candidates.
At the exam centre, security people trusted the machine at hand than their intelligence of the brain. I, many of MTCians, have experienced how security people in the airports are able to differentiate between innocent and problematic passengers.
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On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Shanthakumari Ramanathan <ssshantha@gmail.com');" >ssshantha@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear sirThe system of education system forces to memorise and score marks ...Poor students or parents are not to be blamed ....Have the teachers ensured experiential learning....They start 12th syllabus in the mid of 11th std and make students memorise and write...All parents cannot afford CBsE or ISE fees sir...The government should provide uniform education at affordable price to all the students irrespective of caste or income--On 10-May-2017 3:46 PM, "Dattaprasanna Marathe" <dmmarathe@gmail.com');" >dmmarathe@gmail.com> wrote:NEET is entirely based on standard 12 Board Syllabus. Mostly students do not attend colleges and attend tution classes. They may not be learning concepts but get good marks in 12 Board exam. In competitive exams like NEET ,JEE most of them fail and start complaining.--On May 10, 2017 3:07 PM, "Prof. Bholanath Dutta" <bnath.dutta@gmail.com');" >bnath.dutta@gmail.com> wrote:--Across the country there is a common concern that NEET syllabus does not match with the state board syllabus and CBSE and ICSE syllabus students have the upper edge in NEET exam. NEET is conducted by the CBSE.Shouldn't it be questioned where the machinery failed? Is the exam it designs, NEET, unnecessarily punishing or don't our schools really teach anything worthwhile?--EDUCATE, EMPOWER, ELEVATEProf. Bholanath DuttaFounder & PresidentMTC Global: A Global Think Tank inHigher Educaiton Education, ISO 9001: 2008Partner: UN Global Compact I UN Academic Impactwww.mtcglobal.org IEmail: president@mtcglobal.org" style="font-family:garamond, serif;font-size:12.8px;" target='_blank' rel=external>president@mtcglobal.org
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