Re: [ACEsthetics] medical history

In addition to your dedication Lisa Marie. I don't think that some people
realize that fellowship with A4M (that has MD's DOs, DCs and Kaye being the
FIRST dentist) enables them to practice functional medicine (which is what
you are doing - under the study of Kaye, Bob et al).
Funny how Dentists can do oral screenings for cancer, consider cervical
spine issues etc etc yet somehow when it comes to the gut, it's out of your
domain? Yet the gut and digestion start in the mouth (same old song, we all
learned it in year one Human physiology). Plenty of research to support
precisely what you are doing as you know. Just because it's not the "status
quo" (where mediocre or moderate is king) is hardly a reason to scale back.
I (and others)applaud you and others for leading the way. It's opening doors
for many that want to pursue it. If you're not on the edge you're taking up
too much space. IMHO.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Lisa Marie Samaha
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:23 PM
To: 'Guy Moorman' ; 'David R. Boag, DDS' ; 'Steve Hendry'
Cc: drrodgers@drrodgers.com ; hameldds@gmail.com ; 'ACEsthetics group' ; Dr.
Lisa Marie Samaha
Subject: RE: [ACEsthetics] medical history

Wow, Guys... thank you all for your concern ;-) I think David B and Guy have
me right, w the exception of David referring to me as a "naturopathic
quack." Not sure where the heck that came from, as it seemed as tho you were
affirming my commitment to cellular and clinical science in one breath and
ridiculing me in that one. No matter, I do appreciate the concern for my
"wax wings" and I like the metaphor, Guy. It "waxes" poetic :)

Anyway, I am very aware of the risks I take and am willing, like a few
others, to stand up for what I believe to be true. I am careful to document
my very carefully worded convos w pts and to make certain their MDs know
where I am coming from w my concerns and recommendations. I am also careful
w what pts I share what with.

For now, I will move forward, and cautiously, as I know I must, and as many
on the forum suggest. It is a darned shame.
And Guy, I really, really appreciate your fatherly sort of care for my
professional well being. I really do and I am listening. I appreciate your
observations, too, Steve.

Always,
Lisa marie




Lisa Marie Samaha, DDS, FAGD, PC
251 Nat Turner Blvd, Newport News, VA 23606
Phone: (757) 223-9270 Fax: (757) 223-9264
Email: SamahaDDS@PWDentalarts.com
Website: www.PWDentalArts.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Moorman [mailto:gmoor@windstream.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:39 AM
To: 'David R. Boag, DDS'; 'Steve Hendry'
Cc: samahadds@pwdentalarts.com; drrodgers@drrodgers.com; hameldds@gmail.com;
'ACEsthetics group'
Subject: RE: [ACEsthetics] medical history

You got my answer. My concern is for Lisa. I fear she has wax wings and is
flying too close to the sun. People bash experience but I've seen a lot of
stuff and being on two hospital boards I see how physicians think. They are
even jealous of territory within their profession. Treading on their
territory as a dentist is like stepping out onto Courtland Avenue without
looking both ways.

Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
Douglas, GA 31533
912-384-7400



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-----Original Message-----
From: David R. Boag, DDS [mailto:spikedds@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Steve Hendry
Cc: samahadds@pwdentalarts.com; Guy Moorman; drrodgers@drrodgers.com;
hameldds@gmail.com; ACEsthetics group
Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] medical history

Your points are well-intentioned, along with Guy's, Steve. You'll note in my
response my allusion to the need to respect boundaries. That is wise
counsel. Just as with OSA, we can have a role, but there are limits. I don't
technically diagnose OSA, and I don't treat it without a technical, official
diagnosis from those who can. Having said that, if one is a student of the
game, our ability to observe significant details which we used to be
ignorant of is improved. To wit, diagnosing OSA, for example, isn't rocket
science, and although I can't officially diagnose it, I often know it when I
see it, and frequently--not always, but most of the time--when it looks like
a fish and smells like a fish it's usually a fish. And the importance of
that role cannot and should not be underestimated. That isn't said as an
attempt at generating self-importance. If the science of OSA is right, I'm
saving lives, and I think we'd all agree that there is satisfaction in being
a part of doing that.

Our deductions and conclusions from those observations need to be based on
sound science. That is paramount, as is an ability to OBJECTIVELY evaluate
outcomes to ensure that our conclusions are based in reality and that
"success" isn't just in our own minds or due mostly to placebo. If the
science is there, and we are mindful to observe and notice when signs and
symptoms of disease c/w that science present themselves, and particularly if
the "official" treatments are unsuccessful, suggesting an alternative
doesn't seem harmful.

That doesn't mean there is no risk attached to these kinds of things. The
politics of turf can be very real, and those who may be thinking of "dipping
their toe into" these kinds of things without seriously becoming a student
of the game should reconsider. If that is the "heart" behind Guy's post--and
perhaps it was--then that's good, because it was said out of concern to
protect colleagues from those potential risks.

LM is a very interesting person to me, because she is such an emotional,
passionate lady and yet she has committed to investigative science more than
most dentists I know. She has grounded her understanding in both clinical
and cellular science. And whereas others with her persona can tend to veer
off into quasi-science or even into la-la land, she's what I would call a
naturopathic "quack." She's VERY different than me as far as personality
goes--at first she seemed a bit "over the top" to me, raising my B.S.
antennae. But I've observed her long enough to recognize that our commitment
to grounding our beliefs in science and reality is something that we share
despite our differences in how we express ourselves. Truth be told, I could
probably use a bit of her "softness." I am learning not to let those
differences make me underestimate her.



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On Mar 21, 2013, at 5:45 AM, Steve Hendry <rsh.dds.fagd@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey, Guy-bashers. He didn't say "just a dentist". He said "remember
> you
are a dentist."
>
> It's great to treat with an awareness of the Mind-Body connection and
> how
dentistry can integrate with other areas of health care. But sometimes when
I read gushy posts about having diagnosed and treated someone's bowel
problems or purported biochemical insufficiencies or neoplasms
single-handedly, I think maybe some of us are trying a bit too hard to be
Physicians Who Never Went To Medical School.
>
> The market in non-medical primary care providers is already pretty
> full of
naturopaths and chirodoctors and assorted Alt-med folks with high opinions
of their disciplines' capabilities. In developing and expanding our own
knowledge, should we go for a happy medium of complimenting Real Doctors,
but stop short of trying to replace them?
>
> Just a little cry for moderation; no offense to the Walkerites or
> anyone
who thinks physicians are obsolete.

I've seen two chiropractors and my dental school roommate now has lost his
Georgia and Florida license for practicing medicine without a license. They
were doing exactly this. I dentist in middle Georgia just got nailed with a
revocation for homeopathic medicine along with removing amalgam and
composite and replacing with the only safe substance.gold.

-----------------------------

I see the enthusiasm here but I see the danger. Lisa has flown very close
to the fire already with the perio issues and once you are on the radar you
never leave. You only need one physician to catch what is happening and you
can be in deep trouble. You only need one patient to come off their meds
rather than take prescribed traditional meds at your direction and you are
dead. The Steve Jobs Foundation is now setting up anti-alternative medicine
site because he realized he could have lived rather than died had he stayed
with science.

I don't give a rip about Kay and Bob or Todd but I like Lisa and I've been
around the block a few times. I've seen my roommate go through this
transformation and the excitement that ends in tragedy. Do what you want.
That's why I will not treat sleep apnea. I'll make the appliances with the
docs involved but I will not advertise treatment of sleep apnea. There are
physicians around here that would nail me to the wall.

And you are correct. I said, Remember that you are a dentist.not "just" a
dentist. I'm pretty proud of my accomplishments in my profession. I don't
need to be a whole body person. And if you notice there are specialists in
gastroenterology. Orthopedic surgeons are not treating gut problems.

Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
Douglas, GA 31533
912-384-7400

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