Yes Guy, that is the point I made with Ray. This isn’t an individual sport – it’s a team. From my perspective, it’s about 50/50 dentist and lab.
A good dentist can make a crappy lab look “better” (or not AS bad), just like a good lab can make a crappy dentist look “better” (or not AS bad).
But…when you team a great dentist and a great lab – WATCH OUT!! This leads to magnificent dentistry.
The point that I really was stressing is that Ray should not give ALL of the credit to his lab. He is a magnificent dentist, and his lab could not have provided the wonderful work without Ray’s superb planning of the case, superb preps, superb impressions and superb records. And as I pointed out, the lab too deserves major credit.
Rod
Dr. Rod Kurthy
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Evolve® Dental Technologies, Inc.
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From: acesthetics@googlegroups.com [mailto:acesthetics@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Guy Moorman
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:34 AM
To: 'Rod Kurthy'; drvoller@comcast.net
Cc: ACEsthetics@googlegroups.com; mila@worldlabusa.com
Subject: RE: [ACEsthetics] gums like new porcelain!
I have to agree with you, Rod, but given we are what we are, the labs make us look good and deserve a lot of credit. Nelson does great work as does World. I like Bonadent’s crowns but also like Worlds and I’ve got a magnificent contact at World who understands what I am dealing with and helps me out. I lost my Bonadent contact but the kids here still do a lot of work with Bonadent and it really looks good. I’ve taken advantage of several offers by Glidewell and have not seated them yet but look good. Can’t pass up those discounts on e.max and have used them in reduced price cases. We’ll see how they seat and look.
Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
Douglas, GA 31533
912-384-7400
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From: Rod Kurthy [mailto:drrodger@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:15 PM
To: drvoller@comcast.net; gmoor@windstream.net
Cc: ACEsthetics@googlegroups.com; mila@worldlabusa.com
Subject: RE: [ACEsthetics] gums like new porcelain!
Sorry Ray, but I have to disagree that ALL the credit goes to the lab. I don’t give a hoot how great a lab tech is, if the dentist does not plan out the case properly in the first place, the lab can only provide a compromised result.
And let’s talk preps – OMG! Dentists who are fastidious, knowledgeable and talented sorta don’t realize that the VAST majority of dentists are not. Just talk to your lab candidly, and you’ll hear the frustration that they have, just hoping that whatever they receive is at least workable.
And let’s talk impressions. Do you realize just how many dentists can’t get a good impression to save their lives? Again, talk candidly with your lab, and you’ll hear it all.
So when someone who is fastidious, knowledgeable and talented puts forth the effort to plan properly, prep properly, impress properly and provide all of the other necessary things, it provides the lab what they need to put out a masterpiece. Believe me, I’ve seen both sides.
So things like this – your very lucky patient owes gratitude to the lab and you, probably equally.
And as I said, dentists who do it right will usually simply assume that most other dentists do it right – and sadly, they’d be wrong.
Rod
Dr. Rod Kurthy
Founder/CEO
Evolve® Dental Technologies, Inc.
Home of KöR® Whitening Deep Bleaching™ System
5 Vanderbilt
Irvine, CA 92618
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From: acesthetics@googlegroups.com [mailto:acesthetics@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Voller
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:48 AM
To: gmoor@windstream.net
Cc: <ACEsthetics@googlegroups.com>; <mila@worldlabusa.com>
Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] gums like new porcelain!
ALL the credit goes to the lab.
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On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:31 AM, "Guy Moorman" <gmoor@windstream.net> wrote:
Nelson did a great job as did you. I’m not picking on your Ray but when we get a very nice case like this we know the lab made us look good to a degree.
Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
Douglas, GA 31533
912-384-7400
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From: acesthetics@googlegroups.com [mailto:acesthetics@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Voller
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:41 AM
To: Guy Moorman
Cc: <ACEsthetics@googlegroups.com>; <mila@worldlabusa.com>
Subject: Re: [ACEsthetics] gums like new porcelain!
Nelson Rego did the case.
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On Jun 29, 2013, at 6:20 AM, "Guy Moorman" <gmoor@windstream.net> wrote:Yes it does and this is your usual beautiful work. You should mention your lab in this. I decided not to post any of mine again unless it was to give praise to the lab because they make me who I am.
I just seated a beautiful four unit case involving an implant at 9 that Ultimate Styles did. I used a custom abutment on the implant. We almost had a disaster when the cement set suddenly on seating the implant and I had to get it off immediately and spend an hour carefully removing the cement from inside the crown and off the abutment. We had seated 8 perfectly, removed cement, and then seated 9 using a different tube of Cement It because I wanted translucent on that implant. One terrifying half hour until I knew it was going down. Seven went down like a charm and then 10 was way too tight. We had tried them in and they all “went down” fine. This is why I think crowns should be seated incrementally. Ten was then too tight and took a great deal of adjustment with a very slow cutting diamond wheel. They will go down when they are loose but against a solidly seated tooth that is rigid they are too tight. They are not fitting absolutely perfectly if seated as one.
Mila, that was the Caves case and I used the reduction coping as I had requested and reduced 24 a micron. It was a beautiful job but either Ultimate Styles if they did it or World. You move them around so I don’t know. Thank whoever did it please. Guy
Guy W. Moorman, Jr., D.D.S.
The Swamp
Douglas, GA 31533
912-384-7400
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From: acesthetics@googlegroups.com [mailto:acesthetics@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond J. Voller, DMD
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 10:01 AM
To: ACEsthetics@googlegroups.com
Subject: [ACEsthetics] gums like new porcelain!
This is a case we put in last week replacing a PFM on #7 and veneers / 3/4 wraparounds on 8, 9, and 10. I'm amazed at how much healthier the gingiva is around new restorations! In one week she improved dramatically with the newly bonded restorations! I brought her back today for a photo shoot and some other posterior treatment. GREAT patient too. VERY happy and man, the smiles are all the time! Dentistry really makes patients feel better about themselves! <<...>>
Raymond J. Voller, DMD, MAGD, FADI, FACE
Advisory Board of Directors, Academy of Comprehensive Esthetics (www.Acesthetics.com)
135 North Grant Avenue
Kittanning, PA 16201724-543-4948 (office)
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