Ndi Manjong,
Thanks for your contribution on this topic. I think you got it right. Many people forget that Obama is a politician. He is not a Rev. Pastor, Rev. Father, Malam an Alhaji or any religious leader. He leads the US Government Executive and does not control or even attempt to control the American Judiciary and Legislature. Those are independent US state political arms. Gay marriage is seen by conservatives as a moral/religious issue. The argument that God created man and woman and that marriage is ordained to be between a man and a woman is religious, not political. Interestingly, very often, when politics and religion crash, politics prevails. This is because in the US, the majority of citizens are not Christians in general and fundamental Christians in particular. I believe that the majority of the the nine US Supreme Court judges are Christians. Their religion does not appear to have influenced them. Might be politics did.
The recognition of gay marriages in the US or anywhere else in the world, I believe will not bring down the sky. The recognition concerns states, not religious organizations like the Catholics, Presbyterians, Hindus, Jewish etc. In Cameroon for example no religious minister is allowed to perform any marriage unless the parties first marry at the civil status registry recognized by government. Christian churches do not recognize those civil status marriages. That is why Christian faithfuls after their civil status marriages still go back to their different church denominations to be married. Most Christian denominations do not recognize polygamous marriages. Muslims do recognize polygamous unions. The government of Cameroon recognizes polygamous marriages. In spite of these differences, Christian Churches, Muslim mosques etc and the state coexist in the Cameroon marriage system. Why can't the same principles apply in the US or any other country?
Mbeseha
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Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Re: [camnetwork] Re: [globalcameroun] Obama Illuminati-Demonology and its attempt to Propagate Homosexuality in Africa runs into a STONG SENEGALESE WALL called Macky Sall
Mr. Ofege,
State all you know, assume all you can; the truth is, Obama is not out in Africa on a homosexual mission. Granted he is, what does Africa want instead; now that he is there? Your harping on the sensational (homosexuality) is not saying what it is that Africa wants.
Obama's response to a journalist's question on the US Supreme Court ruling on homosexuality notwithstanding, the government and people of Senegal walked away with the more important acknowledgment that they are in the forward crowd of the African march to better governance and democracy. You can be sure that the governments and peoples of South Africa and Tanzania will walk away with what is more important to them than a sensational and imaginary Obama homosexual priority. The homosexual focus may make good sensational journalism but does not make it a priority agenda of the present Obama visit in Africa.
What the Fathers and Brothers have been known to do at your Alma Mater predated any Obama visit to Africa. Other than defend what some else has reported, one does not remember any of the reporting on this in Cameroun as coming from you.
I still wonder in my stupidity how my response to someone else's reporting on Obama's visit to Senegal became a matter of Ofege being very knowledgeable versus my not being that knowledgeable. One of Cameroun's radio programs had a line about listening to others as they too have their stories. One can picture you handling that radio program at sometime and wonder your pride now in being preoccupied with trashing the contribution of others.
Being knowledgeable about the homosexual condition of aid notwithstanding, being knowledgeable that what is looted from say Cameroun is more than the aid conditioned on homosexuality, may be reason to shift the focus to what makes the conditioned aid redundant. The president of Senegal might have shared in some of my stupidity by saying that Senegal for now will be tolerant on the illegality of homosexuality as the issues of greater interest to Senegal are given priority. Feel free to make me another prey of your being very knowledgeable.
NDI MANJONG.
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Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Re: [camnetwork] Re: [globalcameroun] Obama
Illuminati-Demonology and its attempt to Propagate Homosexuality in Africa
runs into a STONG SENEGALESE WALL called Macky Sall
Dear Mr Ndi Manjong,
The predictability of/about stupidity is that stupidity grows from
strength to strength.
And stupidity repudiates knowledge.
Who does not know the paradigm shift in Obama's position on
homosexuality from his First to Second Term?
Who does not know the sequencing of recent rulings by the US Supreme
Court on this issue?
Who does not know the policy of the British, French, German, US etc
gvts on homosexuality?
So much so that countries like Nigeria have been told that Western Aid
will now be conditioned by their stance on homosexuality.
Do you live in Mars?
Or in some outback preserve of ignorants and cranks.
listen, I do not suffer fools gladly.
And, I have said in these set of chambers that fools always rush in
where angels fear to tread.
I have also said that in these set of chambers, divines will always
rub shoulders with cranks.
Would someone advise this determined malingerer called Ndi Manjong to
go dance his manjong some other place?
I do not suffer fools gladly.
And I am a busy man.
HEEELLLPPPPPP somebody!
On 6/29/13, ngahndi@yahoo.com <ngahndi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mr. Ofege,
>
> It is very much rubbish as the rubbish of you wanting to change in Cameroun
> what you wish the world to borrow from Cameroun. Obama has no control over
> the US Supreme Court; not even its local District Courts nor Appellate
> Courts. Obama stumbles on their rulings as do ordinary US citizens.
>
> Other than answering questions from journalists, can you point to a
> US-Africa policy presentation on the trip in which Obama is making
> homosexuality a US policy priority in Africa? It is rubbish when it is not
> coming from the Journalist and Prophet. The Journalist and Prophet would by
> now have known that the official visits of Heads of States are not the same
> as stopping to have a beer with a friend on ones way from work. Nothing is
> formally discussed that was not raised in the exchange of notes in advance
> of the visit. As Journalist and Prophet (whatever that means) what is your
> policy recommendation in substitution for Obama's homosexual policy agenda
> for Africa as you are sure of?
>
> The US Supreme Courts ruling on the Voting Rights Act was personally more
> important to Obama and Africa than the rulings on homosexuality. Given the
> manipulation of voting rights in Cameroun, it is not Obama's fault if on a
> visit to Cameroun, the Journalist-Prophet takes more interest in the
> sensational homosexual ruling than in the ruling on voting rights (there is
> my example of crowding out what is important to the local with what is
> sensational). Do not own the reporting. It was posted here before you did.
> You posted it as if to say it is less rubbish when posted by you, the
> Journalist-Prophet.
>
> NDI MANJONG.
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>
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> Subject: [camnetwork] Re: [globalcameroun] Obama Illuminati-Demonology and
> its attempt to
> Propagate Homosexuality in Africa runs into a STONG SENEGALESE WALL called
> Macky Sall
>
> Utter Rubbish
> As if Obama was not aware even before he left the US how the US
> Supreme Court would vote.
> As if the INTENT to bend Africa to the Homosexual Camp is no longer
> the policy of the West.
> Type rubbish and send, after that what else?
>
> On 6/29/13, ngahndi@yahoo.com <ngahndi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> If homosexual practice is law breaking in Senegal, what does it mean to
>> be
>> tolerant of lawbreakers, (homosexuals)? The US presidency is not one
>> where
>> the president makes it as he goes. Obama was in the air en route to
>> Africa
>> when the US Supreme Court ruled on the homosexual cases before it. This
>> did
>> not leave time for Obama to make the ruling a policy recommendation for
>> Africa.
>>
>> Part of Africa's failing is the temptation of crowding out the important
>> with the sensational. No Saudi journalist worth his salt will take
>> Obama's
>> remark that he supports the US outlawing polygamy as meaning a policy
>> recommendation for Saudi Arabia to outlaw same. The more important
>> question
>> in Cameroun per Obama's continental tour to Africa should be, how come
>> Senegal is for the West African Sub-Region, South Africa for the South
>> and
>> Tanzania for the East but Cameroun is not for the Central African
>> Sub-Region?
>>
>> NDI MANJONG.
>>
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>> Subject: [globalcameroun] Obama Illuminati-Demonology and its attempt to
>> Propagate
>> Homosexuality in Africa runs into a STONG SENEGALESE WALL called Macky
>> Sall
>>
>> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/obama-clashes-with-african-leader-over-gay-rights-we-are-still-not-ready-to-decriminalize-homosexuality/
>>
>> *Obama Clashes With African Leader Over Gay Rights: 'We Are Still Not
>> Ready
>> to Decriminalize Homosexuality'*
>>
>> Jun. 27, 2013 11:19am Billy
>> Hallowell<http://www.theblaze.com/author/billy-hallowell/>
>>
>> - 71
>> - 142
>> - 1
>> - 2
>> -
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>> -
>> 88<http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/obama-clashes-with-african-leader-over-gay-rights-we-are-still-not-ready-to-decriminalize-homosexuality/#comments>
>>
>> DAKAR, Senegal (TheBlaze/AP) — Not everyone agrees with President Barack
>> Obama's new-found views on gay marriage. Take, for instance, one African
>> leader who disagrees — at least for the time being — that same-sex unions
>> should be the law of the land.
>>
>> Obama on Thursday praised the Supreme Court's ruling on same-sex marriage
>> as a "victory for American democracy," but clashed with his host in
>> Senegal
>> over gay rights in a sign of the vast differences that exist between
>> legal
>> constructs at home in America and abroad.
>>
>> The U.S. president said recognition of gay unions in the United States
>> should cross state lines and that equal rights should be recognized
>> universally. It was his first chance to expand on his thoughts about the
>> ruling, which was issued Wednesday as he flew to Senegal, one of many
>> African countries that outlaw homosexuality.
>>
>> [image: President Barack Obama Clashes With Senegalese President Macky
>> Sall
>> Over Gay Rights]
>>
>> US President Barack Obama (L) talks on June 27, 2013 during a bilateral
>> press conference with his Senegalese counterpart Macky Sall at the
>> Presidential Palace in Dakar, Senegal. US President Barack Obama lavished
>> praise on Senegal as a paragon of democracy on Thursday and said it was
>> leading a drive to good governance in Africa. Credit: AFP/Getty Images
>>
>> Senegalese President Macky Sall rebuffed Obama's call for Africans to
>> give
>> gays equal rights under the law.
>>
>> "We are still not ready to decriminalize homosexuality," Sall said, while
>> insisting that the country is "very tolerant" and needs more time to
>> digest
>> the issue without pressure. "This does not mean we are homophobic."
>>
>> Obama said gay rights didn't come up in their private meeting at the
>> presidential palace, a mansion that looks somewhat similar to the White
>> House. But Obama said he wants to send a message to Africans that while
>> he
>> respects differing personal and religious views on the matter, it's
>> important to have nondiscrimination under the law.
>>
>> "People should be treated equally, and that's a principle that I think
>> applies universally," he said.
>>
>> A report released Monday by Amnesty International says 38 African
>> countries
>> criminalize homosexuality. In four of those — Mauritania, northern
>> Nigeria,
>> southern Somalia and Sudan – the punishment is death. These laws appear
>> to
>> have broad public support. A June 4 Pew Research Center survey found at
>> least nine of 10 respondents in Senegal, Kenya, Ghana, Uganda and Nigeria
>> believe homosexuality should not be accepted by society.
>>
>> Papi Nbodj, a 19-year-old student who stood by the road to the
>> presidential
>> palace to see Obama's arrival, said homosexuality is against the
>> religious
>> beliefs of most in Senegal.
>>
>> "We are in a Muslim country, so we certainly cannot have it here," he
>> said.
>> "And for me it's not okay to have this anywhere in the world."
>>
>> Sall sought to reassure Obama that gays are not persecuted in Senegal.
>> But
>> under Senegalese law, "an improper or unnatural act with a person of the
>> same sex" can be punished by up to five years in prison.
>>
>> Ndeye Kebe, president of a human rights organization that works with
>> homosexuals called Women's Smile, disputed Sall's contention that gays
>> are
>> not discriminated against.
>>
>> "I know of around a dozen people who are in prison for homosexuality as
>> we
>> speak," she said. "There wasn't any real proof against them, but they
>> were
>> found guilty and they are in prison."
>>
>> [image: President Barack Obama Clashes With Senegalese President Macky
>> Sall
>> Over Gay Rights]
>>
>> US President Barack Obama (L) talks with Senegal President Macky Sall (C)
>> on June 27, 2013 as they walk to a press conference at the presidential
>> palace in Dakar. Obama arrived late on June 26 in Dakar to launch a
>> three-nation trip designed to fulfil neglected expectations for his
>> presidency on a continent where he has deep ancestral roots. Credit:
>> AFP/Getty Images
>>
>> And as recently as February of 2008, police rounded up men suspected of
>> being homosexual after a Senegalese tabloid published photographs of a
>> clandestine gay wedding in a suburb of Dakar. Gays went into hiding or
>> fled
>> to neighboring countries, but they were pushed out of Gambia by the
>> president's threat of decapitation.
>>
>> As for Wednesday's court ruling, Obama said he's directing his
>> administration to comb through every federal statute to quickly determine
>> the implications of a decision that gave the nation's legally married gay
>> couples equal federal footing with all other married Americans.
>>
>> He said he wants to make sure that gay couples who deserve benefits under
>> the ruling get them quickly. Obama said he personally believes that gay
>> couples legally married in one state should retain their benefits if they
>> move to another state that doesn't recognize gay marriage.
>>
>> "I believe at the root of who we are as a people, as Americans, is the
>> basic precept that we are all equal under the law," he said. "We believe
>> in
>> basic fairness. And what I think yesterday's ruling signifies is one more
>> step towards ensuring that those basic principles apply to everybody."
>>
>> Obama also offered prayers for former South African President Nelson
>> Mandela, who is gravely ill, ahead of the president's planned visit to
>> his
>> country this weekend. Obama said he was inspired to become political
>> active
>> by Mandela's example in the anti-apartheid movement of being willing to
>> sacrifice his life for a belief in equal treatment.
>>
>> "I think he's a hero for the world," Obama said. "And if and when he
>> passes
>> from this place, one thing I think we'll all know is that his legacy is
>> one
>> that will linger on throughout the ages."
>>
>> Later Obama plans to reflect on the ties many African-Americans share
>> with
>> the continent as he takes a tour of Goree Island, Africa's westernmost
>> point. Africans reportedly were shipped off into slavery across the
>> Atlantic Ocean through the island's "Door of No Return."
>>
>> Thousands of boisterous revelers welcomed Obama's motorcade Thursday
>> morning in Dakar, cheering and waving homemade signs as the first
>> African-American president made his way to the presidential palace. A
>> large
>> sign outside his hotel gate had pictures of smiling Obama and Sall that
>> read, "Welcome home, President Obama." Some in the crowd drummed, danced
>> and sang, and many wore white as a symbol for peace.
>>
>> Obama's focus in Senegal is on the modern-day achievements of the former
>> French colony after half a century of independence. Sall ousted an
>> incumbent who attempted to change the constitution to make it easier for
>> him to be re-elected and pave the way for his son to succeed him. The
>> power
>> grab sparked protests, fueled by hip-hop music and social media, that led
>> to Sall's election.
>>
>> "Senegal is one of the most stable democracies in Africa and one of the
>> strongest partners that we have in the region," Obama said. "It's moving
>> in
>> the right direction with reforms to deepen democratic institutions."
>>
>> [image: President Barack Obama Clashes With Senegalese President Macky
>> Sall
>> Over Gay Rights]
>>
>> US President Barack Obama (L) talks with Senegal President Macky Sall
>> during a press conference at the Presidential Palace in Dakar on June 27,
>> 2013. US President Barack Obama lavished praise on Senegal as a paragon
>> of
>> democracy on Thursday and said it was leading a drive to good governance
>> in
>> Africa. Credit: AFP/Getty Images
>>
>> But such people-powered democratic transitions are not always the story
>> of
>> the African experience. Fighting and human rights abuses limited Obama's
>> options for stops in his first major tour of sub-Saharan Africa since he
>> took office more than four years ago. Obama is avoiding his father's
>> homeland, Kenya, whose president has been charged with war crimes, and
>> Nigeria, the country with the continent's most dominant economy. Nigeria
>> is
>> enveloped in an Islamist insurgency and military crackdown.
>>
>> Obama's itinerary in Senegal was designed to send a message, purposefully
>> delivered in a French-speaking, Muslim-majority nation, to other Africans
>> in countries that have not made the strides toward democracy that Senegal
>> has. Obama plans to meet with civil society leaders at the Goree
>> Institute
>> and visited the Supreme Court to speak about the importance of an
>> independent judiciary and the rule of law in Africa's development.
>>
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Thanks for your contribution on this topic. I think you got it right. Many people forget that Obama is a politician. He is not a Rev. Pastor, Rev. Father, Malam an Alhaji or any religious leader. He leads the US Government Executive and does not control or even attempt to control the American Judiciary and Legislature. Those are independent US state political arms. Gay marriage is seen by conservatives as a moral/religious issue. The argument that God created man and woman and that marriage is ordained to be between a man and a woman is religious, not political. Interestingly, very often, when politics and religion crash, politics prevails. This is because in the US, the majority of citizens are not Christians in general and fundamental Christians in particular. I believe that the majority of the the nine US Supreme Court judges are Christians. Their religion does not appear to have influenced them. Might be politics did.
The recognition of gay marriages in the US or anywhere else in the world, I believe will not bring down the sky. The recognition concerns states, not religious organizations like the Catholics, Presbyterians, Hindus, Jewish etc. In Cameroon for example no religious minister is allowed to perform any marriage unless the parties first marry at the civil status registry recognized by government. Christian churches do not recognize those civil status marriages. That is why Christian faithfuls after their civil status marriages still go back to their different church denominations to be married. Most Christian denominations do not recognize polygamous marriages. Muslims do recognize polygamous unions. The government of Cameroon recognizes polygamous marriages. In spite of these differences, Christian Churches, Muslim mosques etc and the state coexist in the Cameroon marriage system. Why can't the same principles apply in the US or any other country?
Mbeseha
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Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Re: [camnetwork] Re: [globalcameroun] Obama Illuminati-Demonology and its attempt to Propagate Homosexuality in Africa runs into a STONG SENEGALESE WALL called Macky Sall
Mr. Ofege,
State all you know, assume all you can; the truth is, Obama is not out in Africa on a homosexual mission. Granted he is, what does Africa want instead; now that he is there? Your harping on the sensational (homosexuality) is not saying what it is that Africa wants.
Obama's response to a journalist's question on the US Supreme Court ruling on homosexuality notwithstanding, the government and people of Senegal walked away with the more important acknowledgment that they are in the forward crowd of the African march to better governance and democracy. You can be sure that the governments and peoples of South Africa and Tanzania will walk away with what is more important to them than a sensational and imaginary Obama homosexual priority. The homosexual focus may make good sensational journalism but does not make it a priority agenda of the present Obama visit in Africa.
What the Fathers and Brothers have been known to do at your Alma Mater predated any Obama visit to Africa. Other than defend what some else has reported, one does not remember any of the reporting on this in Cameroun as coming from you.
I still wonder in my stupidity how my response to someone else's reporting on Obama's visit to Senegal became a matter of Ofege being very knowledgeable versus my not being that knowledgeable. One of Cameroun's radio programs had a line about listening to others as they too have their stories. One can picture you handling that radio program at sometime and wonder your pride now in being preoccupied with trashing the contribution of others.
Being knowledgeable about the homosexual condition of aid notwithstanding, being knowledgeable that what is looted from say Cameroun is more than the aid conditioned on homosexuality, may be reason to shift the focus to what makes the conditioned aid redundant. The president of Senegal might have shared in some of my stupidity by saying that Senegal for now will be tolerant on the illegality of homosexuality as the issues of greater interest to Senegal are given priority. Feel free to make me another prey of your being very knowledgeable.
NDI MANJONG.
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Subject: Re: [cameroon_politics] Re: [camnetwork] Re: [globalcameroun] Obama
Illuminati-Demonology and its attempt to Propagate Homosexuality in Africa
runs into a STONG SENEGALESE WALL called Macky Sall
Dear Mr Ndi Manjong,
The predictability of/about stupidity is that stupidity grows from
strength to strength.
And stupidity repudiates knowledge.
Who does not know the paradigm shift in Obama's position on
homosexuality from his First to Second Term?
Who does not know the sequencing of recent rulings by the US Supreme
Court on this issue?
Who does not know the policy of the British, French, German, US etc
gvts on homosexuality?
So much so that countries like Nigeria have been told that Western Aid
will now be conditioned by their stance on homosexuality.
Do you live in Mars?
Or in some outback preserve of ignorants and cranks.
listen, I do not suffer fools gladly.
And, I have said in these set of chambers that fools always rush in
where angels fear to tread.
I have also said that in these set of chambers, divines will always
rub shoulders with cranks.
Would someone advise this determined malingerer called Ndi Manjong to
go dance his manjong some other place?
I do not suffer fools gladly.
And I am a busy man.
HEEELLLPPPPPP somebody!
On 6/29/13, ngahndi@yahoo.com <ngahndi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mr. Ofege,
>
> It is very much rubbish as the rubbish of you wanting to change in Cameroun
> what you wish the world to borrow from Cameroun. Obama has no control over
> the US Supreme Court; not even its local District Courts nor Appellate
> Courts. Obama stumbles on their rulings as do ordinary US citizens.
>
> Other than answering questions from journalists, can you point to a
> US-Africa policy presentation on the trip in which Obama is making
> homosexuality a US policy priority in Africa? It is rubbish when it is not
> coming from the Journalist and Prophet. The Journalist and Prophet would by
> now have known that the official visits of Heads of States are not the same
> as stopping to have a beer with a friend on ones way from work. Nothing is
> formally discussed that was not raised in the exchange of notes in advance
> of the visit. As Journalist and Prophet (whatever that means) what is your
> policy recommendation in substitution for Obama's homosexual policy agenda
> for Africa as you are sure of?
>
> The US Supreme Courts ruling on the Voting Rights Act was personally more
> important to Obama and Africa than the rulings on homosexuality. Given the
> manipulation of voting rights in Cameroun, it is not Obama's fault if on a
> visit to Cameroun, the Journalist-Prophet takes more interest in the
> sensational homosexual ruling than in the ruling on voting rights (there is
> my example of crowding out what is important to the local with what is
> sensational). Do not own the reporting. It was posted here before you did.
> You posted it as if to say it is less rubbish when posted by you, the
> Journalist-Prophet.
>
> NDI MANJONG.
> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com>
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> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:40:32
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> Subject: [camnetwork] Re: [globalcameroun] Obama Illuminati-Demonology and
> its attempt to
> Propagate Homosexuality in Africa runs into a STONG SENEGALESE WALL called
> Macky Sall
>
> Utter Rubbish
> As if Obama was not aware even before he left the US how the US
> Supreme Court would vote.
> As if the INTENT to bend Africa to the Homosexual Camp is no longer
> the policy of the West.
> Type rubbish and send, after that what else?
>
> On 6/29/13, ngahndi@yahoo.com <ngahndi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> If homosexual practice is law breaking in Senegal, what does it mean to
>> be
>> tolerant of lawbreakers, (homosexuals)? The US presidency is not one
>> where
>> the president makes it as he goes. Obama was in the air en route to
>> Africa
>> when the US Supreme Court ruled on the homosexual cases before it. This
>> did
>> not leave time for Obama to make the ruling a policy recommendation for
>> Africa.
>>
>> Part of Africa's failing is the temptation of crowding out the important
>> with the sensational. No Saudi journalist worth his salt will take
>> Obama's
>> remark that he supports the US outlawing polygamy as meaning a policy
>> recommendation for Saudi Arabia to outlaw same. The more important
>> question
>> in Cameroun per Obama's continental tour to Africa should be, how come
>> Senegal is for the West African Sub-Region, South Africa for the South
>> and
>> Tanzania for the East but Cameroun is not for the Central African
>> Sub-Region?
>>
>> NDI MANJONG.
>>
>> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com>
>> Sender: globalcameroun@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:33:55
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>> Subject: [globalcameroun] Obama Illuminati-Demonology and its attempt to
>> Propagate
>> Homosexuality in Africa runs into a STONG SENEGALESE WALL called Macky
>> Sall
>>
>> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/obama-clashes-with-african-leader-over-gay-rights-we-are-still-not-ready-to-decriminalize-homosexuality/
>>
>> *Obama Clashes With African Leader Over Gay Rights: 'We Are Still Not
>> Ready
>> to Decriminalize Homosexuality'*
>>
>> Jun. 27, 2013 11:19am Billy
>> Hallowell<http://www.theblaze.com/author/billy-hallowell/>
>>
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>> 88<http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/obama-clashes-with-african-leader-over-gay-rights-we-are-still-not-ready-to-decriminalize-homosexuality/#comments>
>>
>> DAKAR, Senegal (TheBlaze/AP) — Not everyone agrees with President Barack
>> Obama's new-found views on gay marriage. Take, for instance, one African
>> leader who disagrees — at least for the time being — that same-sex unions
>> should be the law of the land.
>>
>> Obama on Thursday praised the Supreme Court's ruling on same-sex marriage
>> as a "victory for American democracy," but clashed with his host in
>> Senegal
>> over gay rights in a sign of the vast differences that exist between
>> legal
>> constructs at home in America and abroad.
>>
>> The U.S. president said recognition of gay unions in the United States
>> should cross state lines and that equal rights should be recognized
>> universally. It was his first chance to expand on his thoughts about the
>> ruling, which was issued Wednesday as he flew to Senegal, one of many
>> African countries that outlaw homosexuality.
>>
>> [image: President Barack Obama Clashes With Senegalese President Macky
>> Sall
>> Over Gay Rights]
>>
>> US President Barack Obama (L) talks on June 27, 2013 during a bilateral
>> press conference with his Senegalese counterpart Macky Sall at the
>> Presidential Palace in Dakar, Senegal. US President Barack Obama lavished
>> praise on Senegal as a paragon of democracy on Thursday and said it was
>> leading a drive to good governance in Africa. Credit: AFP/Getty Images
>>
>> Senegalese President Macky Sall rebuffed Obama's call for Africans to
>> give
>> gays equal rights under the law.
>>
>> "We are still not ready to decriminalize homosexuality," Sall said, while
>> insisting that the country is "very tolerant" and needs more time to
>> digest
>> the issue without pressure. "This does not mean we are homophobic."
>>
>> Obama said gay rights didn't come up in their private meeting at the
>> presidential palace, a mansion that looks somewhat similar to the White
>> House. But Obama said he wants to send a message to Africans that while
>> he
>> respects differing personal and religious views on the matter, it's
>> important to have nondiscrimination under the law.
>>
>> "People should be treated equally, and that's a principle that I think
>> applies universally," he said.
>>
>> A report released Monday by Amnesty International says 38 African
>> countries
>> criminalize homosexuality. In four of those — Mauritania, northern
>> Nigeria,
>> southern Somalia and Sudan – the punishment is death. These laws appear
>> to
>> have broad public support. A June 4 Pew Research Center survey found at
>> least nine of 10 respondents in Senegal, Kenya, Ghana, Uganda and Nigeria
>> believe homosexuality should not be accepted by society.
>>
>> Papi Nbodj, a 19-year-old student who stood by the road to the
>> presidential
>> palace to see Obama's arrival, said homosexuality is against the
>> religious
>> beliefs of most in Senegal.
>>
>> "We are in a Muslim country, so we certainly cannot have it here," he
>> said.
>> "And for me it's not okay to have this anywhere in the world."
>>
>> Sall sought to reassure Obama that gays are not persecuted in Senegal.
>> But
>> under Senegalese law, "an improper or unnatural act with a person of the
>> same sex" can be punished by up to five years in prison.
>>
>> Ndeye Kebe, president of a human rights organization that works with
>> homosexuals called Women's Smile, disputed Sall's contention that gays
>> are
>> not discriminated against.
>>
>> "I know of around a dozen people who are in prison for homosexuality as
>> we
>> speak," she said. "There wasn't any real proof against them, but they
>> were
>> found guilty and they are in prison."
>>
>> [image: President Barack Obama Clashes With Senegalese President Macky
>> Sall
>> Over Gay Rights]
>>
>> US President Barack Obama (L) talks with Senegal President Macky Sall (C)
>> on June 27, 2013 as they walk to a press conference at the presidential
>> palace in Dakar. Obama arrived late on June 26 in Dakar to launch a
>> three-nation trip designed to fulfil neglected expectations for his
>> presidency on a continent where he has deep ancestral roots. Credit:
>> AFP/Getty Images
>>
>> And as recently as February of 2008, police rounded up men suspected of
>> being homosexual after a Senegalese tabloid published photographs of a
>> clandestine gay wedding in a suburb of Dakar. Gays went into hiding or
>> fled
>> to neighboring countries, but they were pushed out of Gambia by the
>> president's threat of decapitation.
>>
>> As for Wednesday's court ruling, Obama said he's directing his
>> administration to comb through every federal statute to quickly determine
>> the implications of a decision that gave the nation's legally married gay
>> couples equal federal footing with all other married Americans.
>>
>> He said he wants to make sure that gay couples who deserve benefits under
>> the ruling get them quickly. Obama said he personally believes that gay
>> couples legally married in one state should retain their benefits if they
>> move to another state that doesn't recognize gay marriage.
>>
>> "I believe at the root of who we are as a people, as Americans, is the
>> basic precept that we are all equal under the law," he said. "We believe
>> in
>> basic fairness. And what I think yesterday's ruling signifies is one more
>> step towards ensuring that those basic principles apply to everybody."
>>
>> Obama also offered prayers for former South African President Nelson
>> Mandela, who is gravely ill, ahead of the president's planned visit to
>> his
>> country this weekend. Obama said he was inspired to become political
>> active
>> by Mandela's example in the anti-apartheid movement of being willing to
>> sacrifice his life for a belief in equal treatment.
>>
>> "I think he's a hero for the world," Obama said. "And if and when he
>> passes
>> from this place, one thing I think we'll all know is that his legacy is
>> one
>> that will linger on throughout the ages."
>>
>> Later Obama plans to reflect on the ties many African-Americans share
>> with
>> the continent as he takes a tour of Goree Island, Africa's westernmost
>> point. Africans reportedly were shipped off into slavery across the
>> Atlantic Ocean through the island's "Door of No Return."
>>
>> Thousands of boisterous revelers welcomed Obama's motorcade Thursday
>> morning in Dakar, cheering and waving homemade signs as the first
>> African-American president made his way to the presidential palace. A
>> large
>> sign outside his hotel gate had pictures of smiling Obama and Sall that
>> read, "Welcome home, President Obama." Some in the crowd drummed, danced
>> and sang, and many wore white as a symbol for peace.
>>
>> Obama's focus in Senegal is on the modern-day achievements of the former
>> French colony after half a century of independence. Sall ousted an
>> incumbent who attempted to change the constitution to make it easier for
>> him to be re-elected and pave the way for his son to succeed him. The
>> power
>> grab sparked protests, fueled by hip-hop music and social media, that led
>> to Sall's election.
>>
>> "Senegal is one of the most stable democracies in Africa and one of the
>> strongest partners that we have in the region," Obama said. "It's moving
>> in
>> the right direction with reforms to deepen democratic institutions."
>>
>> [image: President Barack Obama Clashes With Senegalese President Macky
>> Sall
>> Over Gay Rights]
>>
>> US President Barack Obama (L) talks with Senegal President Macky Sall
>> during a press conference at the Presidential Palace in Dakar on June 27,
>> 2013. US President Barack Obama lavished praise on Senegal as a paragon
>> of
>> democracy on Thursday and said it was leading a drive to good governance
>> in
>> Africa. Credit: AFP/Getty Images
>>
>> But such people-powered democratic transitions are not always the story
>> of
>> the African experience. Fighting and human rights abuses limited Obama's
>> options for stops in his first major tour of sub-Saharan Africa since he
>> took office more than four years ago. Obama is avoiding his father's
>> homeland, Kenya, whose president has been charged with war crimes, and
>> Nigeria, the country with the continent's most dominant economy. Nigeria
>> is
>> enveloped in an Islamist insurgency and military crackdown.
>>
>> Obama's itinerary in Senegal was designed to send a message, purposefully
>> delivered in a French-speaking, Muslim-majority nation, to other Africans
>> in countries that have not made the strides toward democracy that Senegal
>> has. Obama plans to meet with civil society leaders at the Goree
>> Institute
>> and visited the Supreme Court to speak about the importance of an
>> independent judiciary and the rule of law in Africa's development.
>>
>>
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