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Dear Mr Njuakom,
If indeed you had the Bible in one hand and the Rosary in another, you
may want to show me the exact Chapter and Verse and of the Bible that
mentions ROSARY.
I have been talking what the Bible says not what Man says: not what a
church says. Not doctrines, most of them false. Not dogmas: THE BIBLE!
Reason why I QUOTE the BIBLE.
I understand you, it is in the nature of the thing.
The Pharisees of yore got so bored and fed up with Jeus the Christ
that they killed him.
Get use to the Ministry of the Prophet: Prophets, among other things
are WORD EXPOUNDERS. The Lord Jeus himself calls them, empowers them
with knowledge+wisdom+understanding+counsel+stamina+moral
rectitude+the Love of God that the show great mastery of the things of
God.
Also consider this....you give me great inspiration to present many
other falsehoods that you may have believed. I will do just that
starting today.
See the only ministries and ministers as authorised by the Bible.
Ephesians 4:11.
11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists,
the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service,
so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity
in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature,
attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
1. Apostles 2. PROPHETS 3. Evangelists 4. Pastors and 5. Teachers.
In that order.
Do you notice that the Bible does not add PRIEST?
Interesting, asn't it?
I will come to that.
Please, friends, brothers and sisters: Read the Bible for yourselves.
Don't have people read it for you and attempt to mislead you by
telling you some lies and half gospels.
Mr Njuakom: I am a Prophet and so anointed and it shows.
I am VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY etc SERIOUS!

On 8/1/13, Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Boh, I have sought for one thing in your GIBBERISH to respond
> to and, finding NONE - absolutely NONE - I'll move on.
>
> On 7/31/13, Herbert Boh <herbertboh@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dear Ntemfac,
>> There you go again.... Back to the future? Did I say you are my brother?
>> Let me show why you are running away from the debate and struggling to
>> take
>> refuge in citations of the Bible. I will use your latest email to Wanaku
>> to
>> show (in bold print below) how you do this and why you are a danger to
>> yourself and anyone else who does not believe in what you believe.
>> Ntemfac
>> wrote:
>> Wanaku,
>> Let me repeat myself.
>> 1.Homosexuality is a sin, not an illness. Agreed! But sin is not the same
>> thing as crime. The laws adopted by governments prohibit crimes, not
>> sins.
>> The Law of God prohibits sins. Prophet Ntemfac sees a world in which his
>> beliefs are exclusive of all others, and a world in which (if he had his
>> way) he would be most intolerant of all other beliefs. Yet, those who
>> refuse
>> to believe in God exercise another right (Free Will) given to them by God
>> Himself, who allows them to choose hell fire if they so desire. Muslims,
>> Budhists, and other non-believers in the need for a relation with
>> Christ/God
>> have a right, given to them by governments, that protects them from
>> religious zealots like you, my brother Ntemfac. Governments must protect
>> all
>> citizens whether they believe in God or not, whether they believe in teh
>> Bible or not; whether they are homosexuals or not.
>> 2.Homosexuality is not a human right. God made man and Woman not God made
>> Homosexual. He made man and woman for one purpose – pro-creation! God
>> made
>> man, an imperfect and sinful being, one of whose many sins is
>> homosexuality.
>> No one is accusing God of making sin. Homosexuals are not the only humans
>> who, by virtue of the sexuality or lack of sexuality they have elected to
>> live, do not pro-create. I will not bother you with a list of who is who.
>> Is
>> every couple that is barren; every couple that fails to pro-create; every
>> man and every woman that does not pro-create commiting a sin? If
>> homosexuality is not listed as a human right (meaning you recognize human
>> rights) what in those rights authorizes those of you haters to think that
>> you can violate the human right of homosexuals to life, to love, to
>> security
>> and to equal protection before the law?
>> 3.Homosexuality is a choice. Agreed! A choice made pursuant to Free Will
>> with its consequences. The first definition is found in the book of
>> Leviticus, when God gives commandments concerning correct sexual behavior
>> of
>> a person and He defines the perversions everyone has to keep himself
>> clear
>> of. Here is what the Creator says: You shall not lie with a male as one
>> lies
>> with a female; it is an abomination. (Leveticus 18:22). The Lord God does
>> not only prohibit homosexuality, unless you have not read the Bible.
>> There
>> are fornicators, adulterers, polygamists, the keepers of "deuxieme
>> bureau",
>> concubines, etc. Why is your hatred only directed against a particular
>> group
>> of sinners by incorrect sexual behavior? This is what you call
>> half-Gospel
>> at its very best. What about we read more verses in Leviticus and you let
>> me
>> know what God means by them? You have been running away to answer these
>> questions: How about Leviticus 25:44 which authorizes the possession of
>> slaves, both male and female, from a neighboring nation? What about
>> Exodus
>> 21:7 which allows me to sell my daughter into slavery? How about
>> persecuting
>> not only homosexuals but any man who comes in contact with a woman while
>> in
>> her period of Menstrual uncleanliness as forbidden by Lev 15: 19-24?
>> 4.Homosexuality is a learnt practice. This shows your total lack of
>> understanding of the biology of the human being. At the end of the same
>> chapter, God makes a summary of all perversions that he bans people, His
>> creation to practice and He says: But as for you, you are to keep My
>> statutes and My judgments and shall not do any of these abominations,
>> neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you (for the men of
>> the
>> land who have been before you have done all these abominations, and the
>> land
>> has become defiled); so that the land will not spew you out, should you
>> defile it, as it has spewed out the nation which has been before you.
>> 'For
>> whoever does any of these abominations, those persons who do so shall be
>> cut
>> off from among their people. Thus you are to keep My charge, that you do
>> not
>> practice any of the abominable customs which have been practiced before
>> you,
>> so as not to defile yourselves with them; I am the LORD your God. The Law
>> of
>> God
>> you cite punishes and prohibits sins. The laws of the land prohibit
>> crimes.
>> They are not the same thing. The punishment of sin is different from the
>> punishment for crimes. The latter punishment is determined and
>> administered
>> by man/governments; while the former is determined and punished by God.
>> And
>> God does not need your help to mete out punishment for the sins of
>> homosexuals or anyone else guilty of sinful sexual behavior. His Book
>> invites you to throw the first stone only if you have not sinned. What
>> don't
>> you understand in that?
>> 5.Homosexuality is a degrading passion. This, again, is that your very
>> condenscending self speaking. You are saved; the others are damned and
>> already live in hell fire. Very pretentious! God adds to the definition
>> of
>> what is called untraditional sexual orientation" nowadays, in the Epistle
>> of
>> Paul to Romans. Here is what the Word of God says: For this reason God
>> gave
>> them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural
>> function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men
>> abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire
>> toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving
>> in
>> their own persons the due penalty of their error. (Romans 1:26–27).
>> Strange
>> that the same Bible authorizes slavery. So, how am I to read it as a
>> Christian? What am I to believe? Why should I believe the "men of God"
>> who
>> in another age used the same Bible to justify slavery? Leviticus also
>> says
>> eating
>> shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10). Is it the same abomination as
>> homosexuality?
>> The Role of the Satanists-the Illuminati-the World Bank and the West.
>> Listen, the Lord God put BELIEF, not in the yes or the ears but in the
>> heart
>> of MEN. I have been harping on these things but EXAMINE your hears, my
>> friends, you will discover that the Lord God foreknew you and
>> predestinated
>> and called and justified and glorified you to be conformed to the
>> teachings
>> of his Son, Jesus Christ and to himself. Reason w This just some more of
>> your half-Gospel which is inspired by your intolerance. Is the World Bank
>> guilty of satanic practices because it recommends, for example, that
>> farmers
>> should plant many crops in the same field which is banned by Lev. 19:19?
>> Is
>> the World Bank satanic because it is not okay for you to stone or burn
>> people to death whom you consider are living in sin as authorized by Lev.
>> 24: 10-16? Is the World Bank satanic because it would not agree that you
>> should burn away and waste a bull as a sacrifice to God as authorized by
>> Lev.
>> 1:19? Is the World Bank satanic because it thinks it is okay to work on
>> the
>> Sabbath agains the ban laid out in Exodus 35:2?
>> Boh Herbert
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com>
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>> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:00 AM
>> Subject: [cameroon_politics] Re: [BOYO] Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on
>> gays: `Who am I to judge?'
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wanaku,
>> Let me repeat myself.
>> 1. Homosexuality is a sin,
>> not an illness.
>> 2. Homosexuality is not a
>> human right. God made man and Woman not God made Homosexual. He made man
>> and
>> woman for one purpose – pro-creation!
>> 3. Homosexuality is a
>> choice The first definition is found in the book of Leviticus, when God
>> gives
>> commandments concerning correct sexual behavior of a person and He
>> defines
>> the
>> perversions everyone has to keep himself clear of. Here is what the
>> Creator
>> says: You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an
>> abomination. (Leveticus 18:22)
>> 4. Homosexuality is a
>> learnt practice. At the end of the same chapter, God makes a summary of
>> all
>> perversions that he bans people, His creation to practice and He says:
>> But
>> as
>> for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments and shall not do
>> any
>> of
>> these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among
>> you
>> (for the men of the land who have been before you have done all these
>> abominations, and the land has become defiled); so that the land will not
>> spew
>> you out, should you defile it, as it has spewed out the nation which has
>> been
>> before you. 'For whoever does any of these abominations, those persons
>> who
>> do so
>> shall be cut off from among their people. Thus you are to keep My charge,
>> that
>> you do not practice any of the abominable customs which have been
>> practiced
>> before you, so as not to defile yourselves with them; I am the LORD your
>> God.
>> 5. Homosexuality is a degrading
>> passion. God adds to the definition of what is called untraditional
>> sexual
>> orientation" nowadays, in the Epistle of Paul to Romans. Here is what the
>> Word
>> of God says: For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions;
>> for
>> their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
>> and
>> in
>> the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and
>> burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing
>> indecent
>> acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
>> (Romans
>> 1:26–27 The Role of the Satanists-the
>> Illuminati-the World Bank and the West. Listen, the Lord God put BELIEF,
>> not
>> in
>> the yes or the ears but in the heart of MEN. I have been harping on these
>> things but EXAMINE your hears, my friends, you will discover that the
>> Lord
>> God
>> foreknew you and predestinated and called and justified and glorified you
>> to
>> be
>> conformed to the teachings of his Son, Jesus Christ and to himself.
>> Reason
>> w
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Wanaku,
>>>You write...'Mr Ofege,
>> you seem to have a problem with everyone –even the Pope'
>>>Wow!
>>>How you manage to
>> construct that I have a 'problem with everybody' because I am teaching
>> what
>> is
>> actually in the Bible about homosexuality is bewildering.
>>>Bewildering because the
>> WORD of the Lord God on this specific topic is clear and bodes no
>> ambiguity,
>> no
>> dark zone, no darkness and no double-talk.
>>>When people – a Pope –
>> start creating dark areas with the WORD of God that is so simply spelt
>> out
>> in
>> the Bible, I worry. I hold them to higher standards because then they are
>> giving room for Man to falter and continue living in SIN.
>>>Do you see how many
>> people –especially our Resident Crusader for a Science fiction called GAY
>> RIGHTS alias Mr. Boh Herbert – now construct the Pope's sentence as a
>> license
>> to continue living in SIN.
>>>Not for himself – the bloody
>> hypocrite – but for some others!
>>>Why would a man CRUSADE
>> for OTHER PEOPLE TO LIVE IN SIN?
>>>So that the Lord God
>> will damn them while sparing him?
>>>Lie,
>> Lie to Lie-Lie.
>>>The things that cause
>> Sin are bound to come but WOE betides him through whom those things come
>> !
>>>Luke 17:1 NIV
>>>Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are
>> bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come.
>>>Mr. Pope ought to know
>> this as well.
>>>As well as this: MANY
>> STRIPES for the POPE!
>>>For this SERVANT of the
>> Lord God KNOWS the Lord's WILL and does not Do according
>> to the Lord's Will and to him that much is given; much shall be required
>> of
>> him!
>>>Luke 12:46-48
>> King James Version (KJV)
>>>46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for
>>> him,
>> and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will
>> appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.47 And that servant, which
>> knew
>> his lord's will, and prepared not himself,
>> neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.48
>> But
>> he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be
>> beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall
>> be
>> much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask
>> the
>> more.
>>>I do not believe in Papal INFALLIBILITY.
>> God is INFALLIBLE, not man.
>>>I underline it to you thatChristianity is not a RELIGION but it is a
>>> RELATIONSHIP between the Man
>> and his God and the only way the Man know the Lord God is by his WORD and
>> through his WORD because then God is HIS WORD. In the beginning was the
>> WORD
>> and the WORD was with god and the WORD was God.
>>>God is his word.
>>>And I CHANGETH NOT, the
>> Man says himself!
>>>The man who yells: What
>> the POPE SAY...should rather be worried that he has not seen or would not
>> see:
>> WHAT the LORD GOS says in his WORD the BIBLE.
>>>I am interested in the
>> infallibility of the WORD of GOD, not in PAPAL INFALLIBILITY: Not in the
>> infallibility of the doctrine of a church because then we know or we
>> ought
>> to
>> know better.
>>>In case you are not
>> aware consider the spread of THIS THING in the Roman Catholic Church and
>> why
>> it
>> is so. Why do priests sodomize unfortunate little boys: Is it because of
>> SIN,
>> because they have Sin in them or because they have opened the way for SIN
>> to
>> be
>> in them? Consider the Word of god as per IDOLATORY – See Exodus 20-1-5
>> and
>> Romans 1-18-32 and the thing becomes clear.
>>>You call me a 'self-righteous
>> preacher', do you?
>>>You err.
>>>The Bible is SELF-RIGHTEOUS;
>> the book says so of itself. Why fault A MESSENGER who is just showing us
>> what
>> is written: Blame the Bible!
>>>Do note the
>> light-hearted spirit with which that specific post was written despite
>> the
>> gravity of the issue. I am a Bible scholar and I draw my inspiration from
>> My
>> Education in and TEACHINGS thereof of the Bible topics that I deal with.
>>>Once more, I am not
>> talking RELIGION or a specific Religious Organization or Organized
>> Religion:
>> I
>> am talking Bible, the WORD of God, what is WRITTEN, not what a MAN or a
>> group
>> of MEN SAY.
>>>Take time off to read
>> what is ACTUALLY IN THE BIBLE: You will be surprise on how many WRONG
>> THINGS
>> YOU HAVE BELIEVED!
>>>For those desirous of a
>> CONVERSATION on Bible issues meet me at:
>>>https://www.facebook.com/prayerpointpowerpoint
>>>This is the Main Portal
>> of my Worldwide Ministry with circa 3000 people present from all over the
>> world. I do hold regular teachings exhortation, edification and comfort
>> sessions: that you may also be HEWN by the Prophet.
>>>On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:58 PM, john ntam <jkmukong@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>To the best of my understanding, the Pope did not make things clear on
>>>> this issue, if were the Pope I would have told the whole world to say
>>>> NO TO HOMOSEXUALITY PRACTICES. He would have let Christians know that
>>>> it
>>>> is a sin or not a sin. Pope Benedict never wanted to comment on this
>>>> issue, some people think that it was the main reason that triggered him
>>>> to resign
>>>>Kfutua
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Emmanuel Yem <nsomgwe74@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>To: AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com; AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com;
>>>> boyo@yahoogroups.com
>>>>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:10 AM
>>>>Subject: [BOYO] Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to
>>>> judge?'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Pope was clear.gay is a sin.the door is close for female priest
>>>> becos
>>>> christ never had e female apostle. But God is loveIboisi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: JAMES CHUYUM <jchuyum@yahoo.com>; To: AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com
>>>> <AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com>; boyo@yahoogroups.com <boyo@yahoogroups.com>;
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'
>>>> Sent: Wed, Jul 31, 2013 3:53:07 AM
>>>>
>>>>Woin naghem,a
>>>>
>>>>The Pope did not endorse homosexuality. As the father of all children be
>>>> you a good or bad child he does not discriminate but wants LOVE which
>>>> is
>>>> the greatest commandment of God to flow in us all. The bible rejects
>>>> prostitution and we all know it is a sin and live with it even in our
>>>> homes but Jesus Christ tells us that Prostitutes will find themselves
>>>> in
>>>> Heaven before some of you who think you are righteous etc. He pope
>>>> said
>>>> A gay person who is seeking God, who is of good will—well, who am I to
>>>> judge him? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very
>>>> well.
>>>> It says one must not marginalize these persons, they must be integrated
>>>> into society. The problem isn't this [homosexual] orientation—we must
>>>> be
>>>> like brothers and sisters. The problem is something else, the problem
>>>> is
>>>> lobbying either for this orientation or a political lobby or a Masonic
>>>> lobby.
>>>>
>>>>1, A gay person who is seeking
>>>> God...
>>>> Seek ye first the kingdom of God
>>>>2. Who am I to
>>>> judge.
>>>> God alone has the authority to judge them and not the Pope.
>>>>3. We must be like brothers and
>>>> sisters.
>>>> LOVE
>>>>4. The problem is something
>>>> else,
>>>> Lobbying (Orientation, Political or Masonic)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why did ( those who say the pope endorsed homosexuality) avoided that
>>>> great opening words of the Pontiff ?
>>>>
>>>>Chuyum
>>>> From: Herbert Boh <herbertboh@yahoo.com>
>>>>To: "AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com" <AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'chf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Bobe Yongabi,
>>>>
>>>>The Pope did not certainly say, as a certain now retired archbishop of
>>>> Yaounde said (with your support), that homosexuality is a crime against
>>>> humanity and the Pope will not do, as some have on this forum, rejoice
>>>> in
>>>> the murder of someone who campaigned for gay rights.
>>>>
>>>>The Pope does his job by citing the Catechism of the Catholic Church as
>>>> the basis for his teaching and the media does its job by relying on the
>>>> practice of journalism that allows journalists to comment, interpret
>>>> and
>>>> editorialize on any position taken by the Pope or anyone else in the
>>>> news. How is the media wrong? Who else in the news gets treated
>>>> differently? Who else in the news gets carried verbatim on all media
>>>> outlets?
>>>>
>>>>Boh Herbert
>>>>
>>>> From: ngalim bernard yongabi <ngalimben@yahoo.ca>
>>>>To: "AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com" <AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:24 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At times it is very easy to be derailed. The point of focus is what the
>>>> Pope said and not what the media said he said. It is better to quote
>>>> verbatim what the Pope said. Fr. Ignatius has reproduced the Pope's
>>>> discussion with the media here under. It is important that we stop
>>>> saying
>>>> what the Pope has not said. The Pope has not moved away from the
>>>> teachings of the Church. This is what the Pope said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A gay person who is seeking God, who is of good will—well, who am I to
>>>> judge him? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very
>>>> well.
>>>> It says one must not marginalize these persons, they must be integrated
>>>> into society. The problem isn't this [homosexual] orientation—we must
>>>> be
>>>> like brothers and sisters. The problem is something else, the problem
>>>> is
>>>> lobbying either for this orientation or a political lobby or a Masonic
>>>> lobby.
>>>>
>>>>Dear people, let us be honest to ourselves by giving complete
>>>> information.
>>>> It is really absurd we use the first 2 words of a sentence to describe
>>>> a
>>>> complete article. Once more, the Pope hasn't gone out of the Church's
>>>> teaching on this issue. Kindly take note of his reference to the
>>>> Catechism of the Catholic Church.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Please, don't be fooled by the press and the lobbies the pope is
>>>> condemning.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>By little token
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>NBY
>>>> From: Ignatius Waindim <iwaindim@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>To: "AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com" <AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:53:52 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear everybody, Would the following be a useful contribution to the
>>>> debate? It consists of what actually happened on the Pope's return trip
>>>> to Rome: "ABOARD THE PAPAL AIRCRAFT — Pope Francis reached out to gays
>>>> on
>>>> Monday, 29 July,
>> saying he wouldn't judge priests for their sexual orientation in a
>> remarkably open and wide-ranging news conference as he returned from his
>> first foreign trip.
>>>>"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who
>>>> am
>>>> I to judge?" Francis asked.
>>>>His predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, signed a document in 2005 that
>> said men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests.
>> Francis was much more conciliatory, saying gay clergymen should be
>> forgiven and their sins forgotten.
>>>>Francis' remarks came Monday during a plane journey back to the Vatican
>>>> from his first foreign trip in Brazil.
>>>>He was funny and candid during a news conference that lasted almost
>> an hour and a half. He didn't dodge a single question, even thanking the
>> journalist who raised allegations reported by an Italian newsmagazine
>> that one of his trusted monsignors was involved in a scandalous gay
>> tryst.
>>>>Francis said he investigated and found nothing to back up the
>>>> allegations.
>>>>
>>>>Francis was asked about Italian media reports suggesting that a group
>>>> within the church tried to blackmail fellow church officials with
>> evidence of their homosexual activities. Italian media reported this
>> year that the allegations contributed to Benedict's decision to resign
>>>>While stressing Catholic social teaching that calls for homosexuals
>> to be treated with dignity and not marginalized, Francis said it was
>> something else entirely to conspire to use private information for
>> blackmail or to exert pressure.
>>>>Francis was responding to reports that a trusted aide was involved in an
>>>> alleged gay tryst a decade ago. He said he investigated the
>> allegations according to canon law and found nothing to back them up.
>> But he took journalists to task for reporting on the matter, saying the
>> allegations concerned matters of sin, not crimes like sexually abusing
>> children.
>>>>And when someone sins and confesses, he said, God not only forgives but
>>>> forgets.
>>>>"We don't have the right to not forget," he said."
>>>>Let us note that concerning homosexuality, the Pope talked about
>>>> "orientation". He was not talking about active gay fornication, or the
>>>> so-called gay marriage. Yet sin, when recognized and humbly confessed
>>>> with the resolve not to sin again, can be forgiven. This resolve
>>>> includes
>>>> avoiding future occasions of sin. And when God forgives, he forgets.
>>>> It
>>>> requires profound formation to recognize what is SIN and what is not. A
>>>> person of good will who seeks the Lord tries to avoid sin - whether
>>>> that
>>>> person is gay or straight.
>>>>What is Pope Francis' stand about sinning gays? Consider the following:
>>>>"Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, a 76-year-old Argentinean, was chosen
>>>> as
>>>> the first Latin American pope on Wednesday. He will lead the world's
>>>> 1.2
>>>> billion Catholics as Pope Francis. While his selection may be historic,
>>>> it may also mean more of the same when it comes to gay rights in the
>>>> Catholic Church.
>>>>Pope Francis is a conservative who is anti-gay marriage and anti-gay
>>>> adoption. He has described same-sex marriage as the work of the devil
>>>> and
>>>> a "destructive attack on God's plan." He has also said that gay
>>>> adoption
>>>> is a form of discrimination against children.
>>>>In 2010, Francis championed against a bill for same-sex marriage and gay
>>>> adoption, according to the National Catholic Register.
>>>>"[T]he Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can
>> seriously harm the family," he wrote to the four monasteries in
>> Argentina. "At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father,
>> mother and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will
>> be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human
>> development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake
>> is the total rejection of God's law engraved in our hearts."
>>>>He went on to describe it as a "'move' of the Father of Lies who
>> seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God" and asked for
>> lawmakers to "not act in error." In John 8:44, the Father of Lies is the
>> devil.
>>>>Argentina approved same-sex marriage in 2010, making it the first Latin
>>>> American country to legalize the
>> union, the New York Times previously reported. The country is also
>> progressive when it comes to contraception. President Cristina Fernández
>> de
>> Kirchner has promoted free contraception and artificial insemination, the
>> Associated Press notes. In the past, Francis has clashed with the
>> Argentinean government over his stance on these issues."
>>>>Pope Francis is against SIN, not against people who are genuinely
>>>> trying,
>>>> in spite of their "orientation" to avoid sin and please God by their
>>>> lives.
>>>>Fiyinifi boisi
>>>>Salah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Wanaku <wanaku@kompeople.org>
>>>>To: AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 17:04
>>>>Subject: Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mr. Ofege If I am reading you right then it seems your rhetoric
>>>> sounds
>>>> like that of a self-righteous preacher. Is it? Then I have no
>>>> questions. That must be the job you have been ordained to do. If not
>>>> pardon my misread of your text. Speaking of (you called it: "Wanaku
>>>> ...
>>>> own kind of hunger")
>>>>hunger, I am not sure where "hunger" came from,
>>>>but I will repeat (again) - the goal is to discuss ways to create a
>>>> sustainable
>>>>Food, Shelter, Clothing + Literacy (in any language,
>>>> includingitanghiKom)
>>>>strategy for Kom Kingdom.
>>>>
>>>>I do not know how to make it sound simpler than it is already.
>>>>Once again it is a suggested discussion scope.
>>>>
>>>>I hope that does not prevent you from your good work.
>>>>I will also suggest creating an online space where you can do some
>>>>more of that kindof workuninhibited by our modest efforts to resolve
>>>> other
>>>>kinds of (to use your word) "hunger".
>>>>~wv
>>>> On 7/30/2013 9:44 AM, Ofege Ntemfac wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Bo Chia Nkwain,
>>>>> No
>>>>> Not me.
>>>>> I will not sound condescending to anyone.
>>>>> That is not my style.
>>>>>Hey we are on the same side.
>>>>> Wanaku wants us to talk his own kind of hunger whereas We HUNGER and
>>>>> THIRST FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS. This I know: Seek ye first the Kingdom of
>>>>> God
>>>>> and his Righteousness and the OTHERS WILL BE ADDED UNTO THEE - pressed
>>>>> down, shaken together and running over shall MEN GIVE UNTO THEE.
>>>>>On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Ofege Ntemfac
>>>>> <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>Where angels fear to tread......
>>>>>>Dear Mr Boh,
>>>>>> I am afraid that, once again, your dross is showing.
>>>>>>Let me repeat myself for whatsoever it
>> is worth.
>>>>>>Satanists
>> – in the order of their Father, the
>> devil – speak in half-gospels;
>> ambiguous and
>> misleading terms so that mankind
>> should get the wrong message and
>> perish. At the Temptation of Jesus,
>> Satan
>> spoke in half-gospels; ambiguous and misleading terms.
>>>>>>Let me show you something:
>>>>>>The Lord God himself says in Leviticus 18:22. Thou shall not practice
>>>>>> homosexuality, it is an abominable sin.
>>>>>>A GAY is one who practises
>> HOMOSEXUALITY.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And the Lord God in Romans 1:26-32 declares that being GAY is a
>>>>>> package
>>>>>> wherein the GAY is also..filled
>> with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness,
>> maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity;
>> whisperers,
>> 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of
>> evil
>> things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding,
>> covenant-breakers,
>> without natural
>> affection, implacable, unmerciful: unsociable. See how ridiculous you are
>> -
>> inane too, I might add.How can you possibly be all of the above and be
>> none
>> of the above?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How can you be practising SIN and be accepted by God?
>>>>>> The double-speak of the possessed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As if, we should ask PIGS to come into our parlours and have a
>>>>>> seat.You
>>>>>> see, God loves MAN but God hates Sin.
>>>>>>SIN is anything that is CONTRARY TO THE
>> WORD OF GOD. And the specific Sin of
>> homosexuality is regimented by the Lord
>> God himself. I will show you shortly why
>> you
>> have absolutely no clue regading the stakes of this issue.
>>>>>>On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Herbert Boh <herbertboh@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And the Pope has spoken! Long live the Pope!
>>>>>>>Boh Herbert
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>On Jul 29, 2013, at 9:23 PM, nkwain chia <nkwain@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Greetings to all out there. I must say it beats my understanding to
>>>>>>>> see the vehemence with which some of us advocate evasiveness
>>>>>>>> towards
>>>>>>>> a topic of such social, moral and spiritual relevance. I could not
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> 'prouder', so to speak, to follow Bobe Ntam's line of reasoning.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> Kom tribe may be ridden with poverty, yes, but I am afraid Bobe
>>>>>>>> Ofege
>>>>>>>> and Wanaku sound too condescending to me when they seem to reduce
>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>> to some wretched upland savages who should be so carried away by
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> age-old issues of hunger, shelter and diseases that current issues
>>>>>>>> should not be any of our business. Even if that were to be the
>>>>>>>> case,
>>>>>>>> then as Bobe Ntam logically puts it, addressing this topic does not
>>>>>>>> entail evading any other topics. By the way, is homosexuality
>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> that much of a distant reality to us as Kom people? If you think it
>>>>>>>> may still have to take a few more years to invade the very depths
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> our fondom, you may be right but what about the millions of our
>> other brothers and sisters living in the diaspora and the poor children
>> (future leaders of Kom) being born there even as we speak. Or should this
>> forum discuss only issues that have to do with my hungry mother or
>> brother
>> who live at Ameng village or Advuk?
>>>>>>>>May we all stay blessed
>>>>>>>>Chia Nkwain
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Wanaku
>>>>>>>>>To: AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 9:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Bobe, You are right about quoting (referencing others) when
>>>>>>>>> publishing scientific work. If I talked about "writing our (not
>>>>>>>>> 'my') own book", I am referring to "us" as a community "writing
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> own book", which (if my communication is any good at this point)
>>>>>>>>> implies "helping ourselves" as opposed to waiting for some other
>>>>>>>>> entity to do it for us. I think we slid out of topic again.
>>>>>>>>> Probably my fault. We should focus here on helping our people in
>>>>>>>>> solving/resolving the perennial problems of: Food, Shelter,
>>>>>>>>> Clothing + Literacy. There is enough in these areas to keep us
>>>>>>>>> busy
>>>>>>>>> for a very long time. And this does not prevent anyone from doing
>>>>>>>>> diligence to their personal beliefs. Thanks for your kind
>>>>>>>>> feedback. iBois+ ~wv --- In mailto:AFOaKOM%40yahoogroups.com,
>>>>>>>>> challow ntam wrote: > > Bobe Wanaku, > > well not as easy as
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> think. So many students,at the level of Masters > even,still
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> quote as easily as you think. Find out. Before
>> one > publishes a scientific work, he does some research on that area ,
>> makes > references to earlier publications, then goes ahead to reveal
>> his
>> research > and leaves it open,and everything that happened before is a
>> foundation, > anything after,would only add up to what has been done. If
>> you can't quote > others,and think you want to write your own book,
>> don't
>> expect someone else > to read your work,let alone quoting your work.
>> Well
>> if you want to write > your own book and feel happy about no one quoting
>> you, then good for you. > After all what is wrong in speaking to
>> yourself?
>>> > Ntam > > > > > On 29 July 2013 21:31, Wanaku wrote: > > > **
>>> >
>>> > > > > Bobe Challow, > > > > First thing I want to say is: there is
>> (and cannot be) censorship on here > > simply because it does not make
>> sense. > > Secondly, the quote you use can be discussed and parsed in
>> several > > different ways: > > > > "Man shall not live on bread
>> alone"
>>>
>> > Really? I am not sure discussing/parsing this quote will help anyone.
>> So
>> I > > will let it slide. > > > > I will keep saying that our focus
>> here
>> should be (and this is not forcing > > anyone - just a suggestion) > >
>> How
>> to keep Kom on the road to a sustainable Food, Shelter, Clothing and > >
>> Literacy future. > > > > It is not an easy thing to do (or talk about).
>> >
>>> That might explain why few would like to talk about (discuss) those > >
>> subjects. > > It is easy to quote from a book - it is written already. >
>> >
>> What I am suggesting is for us to write our own book. > > That's a more
>> challenging proposal. > > > > iBois+ > > ~wv > > > > > > > > On
>> 7/29/2013 2:13 PM, challow ntam wrote: > > > > > > Bobe Wanaku, > > >
>> >
>> "Man shall not live on bread alone". With food,shelter and the best > >
>> means of moving from point A to point B,if you do not have a sound
>> mind,in
>>> > a sound body, (good health), you are not getting anywhere. One
>> of your > > favorite sayings has always been " If you do not let some
>> one
>> speak,how > > would you know what is in their minds"? You have realized
>> that this > > topic.like some others has been around for a while. This
>> is
>> what the people > > have decided to talk about for now. If I was a
>> betting
>> man, I'd put all I > > have, that no one has stopped looking for food
>> and
>> shelter because of the > > discussion we have here, no one has gone to
>> bed
>> hungry,because papa and > > mama spent time on this topic. No better
>> idea,that could give us more > > grains and vegetables has been
>> relegated
>> to the background. I respect your > > opinion about bringing an end to
>> this
>> topic,but I completely disagree with > > it in any shape and form
>> because
>> no matter how u present it, it looks (to > > me),like censorship. > > >
>> >
>> Ntam > > > > > > On 29 July 2013 20:38, Wanaku wrote: > > > >> > >>
>> >
>>>> Bobe Ofege, > >> I thought the Pope had closed this discussion
>> > >> but it seems he has just poured kerosene on it. > >> I am not
>> sure
>> what each person's goal is > >> spending time/resources on this topic.
>> >
>>>> I guess there is something about it (more than other topics like Food,
>>>> >
>>>> Shelter, Clothing, Literacy) > >> that makes a human go: "Mmh! I have
>>>> to
>> say something > >> about this". And they do. > >> > >> Again, if you
>> ask
>> me, in our context (that of Kom) > >> I think that we have more pressing
>> issues to talk about > >> and do, than trying to fix an issue that most
>> are
>> > >> bothered about and few have any real solution for. > >> > >> On
>> the
>> other hand, some societies (or contexts) that > >> have solved(or
>> resolved)
>> some basic human problems, > >> now have ample time to
>> discuss/debate/argue
>> about > >> whether a human should behave one way or the other. > >> >
>> >>
>> Given that we have so much work to do in our communities > >> I am not
>> sure
>> we can afford the time to sit around and > >> wonder
>> what x and y are involved in some deviant behaviour or not. > >> Again
>> it
>> is like discussing strategies of how to catch > >> fish, when we do not
>> even have water to drink. > >> > >> Kom needs sustainable solutions for
>> the following: > >> Food, Shelter, Clothing and a robust revival of 100%
>> Literacy for ALL. > >> > >> That is how we can move our people from
>> point
>> A to B > >> whether they pray to Buddha, Jesus, Mohamed or Tangnankoli.
>> >
>>>> ALL of them need Food, Shelter, Clothing and the ability > >> of
>> READ/WRITE (in any language they choose: itanghiKom preferably). > >> >
>> >>
>> We should discuss about these issues and how to make them become real in
>> >
>>>> our communities rather than trying to catch fireflies thrown into the
>>>> >
>>>> global town square by the western media. It is a smart topic to
>>>> distract
>>> >> (and take a lot of productive time) away from issues that are burning
>> at > >> our feet to solve - burning more than the jiggers in our
>> kids classrooms in > >> some of our primary schools. > >> > >> Bobe
>> Ofege, if you ask me I'd say (again in our context), the best way to >
>> >>
>> preach (gospel, koran, bhagavad gita etc) is to DO. We need more doing on
>> >
>>>> the ground for our people than all the alleluia/amen/lord this lord >
>>>> >>
>> that/prophet here prohet there etc ... But then I may be wrong because
>> some
>>> >> humans - at given stages in their lives - might need a given style of
>>> >> preaching to save themselves (from themselves). So like I said here,
>>> >> it
>> is > >> just my opinion. The trick for every preacher is to find those
>> who
>> can > >> listen (not just those who have ears). > >> > >> Any preacher
>> who has solutions for my people (Kom), I am all ears. > >> Anything else
>> is
>> a waste of valuable time. Again, just my opinion. > >> > >> iBois+ >
>> >>
>> ~wv > >> > >> > >> --- In mailto:AFOaKOM%40yahoogroups.com, Ofege
>> Ntemfac
>> wrote: > >> > > >> > Wanaku, > >> > I just made this
>> Post to Chief Taku. > >> > You may find it stimulating > >> > > >> >
>> The
>> Chief, > >> > The issue cannot be Judging PEOPLE because Romans 2 and
>> Romans 14 > >> > specifically proscribe the Christian from JUDGING
>> ANYONE.
>>> >> > All have sinned and come short of the GLORY OF GOD. > >> > The
>>> >> > issue
>> is this bewildering celebration of WHAT GOD condemns so much > >> > so
>> that
>> a man told me in these set of chambers that THE WORLD WILL NOT > >> > BE
>> RULED BY THE BIBLE! > >> > The issue ...
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