Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'

Hahahah..said as only a Pa Njakri would say.
BUT have you NOTICE that I AM VERY LOUD IN ALL THE THINGS THAT I
BELIEVE IN AND STAND FOR?
It is part of the calling of the PROPHET: I did not know this until I
went to Bible school
Let's just put in this way.
I have been a very bad boy FROM BIRTH - NOT IN FIDGETTING with
ANUSES, God Forbid - but doing those things the right way.
My gainsayer in these matters, one Boh Herbert, can vouch for me and I
can vouch for myself and I have many who can vouch for me - the very
beautiful girls and woman I have known in my BAD BOY DAYS. Now, I
trust in my God not to lead me into temptation and then into Sin but
if it does happen, I trust in this beautiful circumscription of Sin in
Romans 14:23b..Whatsoever is not of FAITH is SIN: Do you even fathom
what God is telling us here?
Or again; Sin shall not dwell in thy members meaning that WE MAY SIN:
BUT WE MUST NOT BE SIN. Whereas these PIGS called Gays, want to be SIN
and enjoy SIN while pretending that they are something else.
That said, listen, the ISSUE that you discuss with such levity is
serious enough.
We are in the prophetic Eschatology or End times: Whether you know it
or not the War is now on between the Children of God and the Children
of their father - the devil, the very one who is a liar and a murderer
from birth. Clearly he has taken someone hostage here which someone is
defending the cause of EVIL.
Evil is like the pollution of the Word of God under the false
pretense of New World Order, Illuminati Satanism, Savage World bank
capitalism, Freemasonry and other Masonic sects.
the devil is a liar and he operates by false pretenses: HAS GOD SAID
THAT YOU WOULD DIE? HAS GOD SAID that thou shall not practice
homosexuality? HAS God said that you must honour the Sabbath..and so
he keeps inching forward...
Friends, you are the children of Issachar, who know the times and know
what you ought to do. Let this abominable sin not pass through you in
Jesus Name!
I tell you entire civilizations perished because of this Satanism



On 8/1/13, bo sung <bosung052000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Aloysius Ntemfac,
>
> Some of us believe you are a closet gay. Thou cryeth out to loud! Come out
> and we will accept you. I do not recall you with a girl friend in 5 years of
> SaHeCo nor is there any record anywhere that you ever had ever visited
> Nyangi quarter like some of us.
>
>
> Pa Njakri
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ofege Ntemfac <ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com>
> To: afoakom <AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com>; cameroon_politics
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> Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 13:57
> Subject: Re: [BOYO] Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to
> judge?'
>
>
>
>
> Wanaku,
> You write...'Mr Ofege,
> you seem to have a problem with everyone –even the Pope'
> Wow!
> How you manage to
> construct that I have a 'problem with everybody' because I am teaching what
> is
> actually in the Bible about homosexuality is bewildering.
> Bewildering because the
> WORD of the Lord God on this specific topic is clear and bodes no ambiguity,
> no
> dark zone, no darkness and no double-talk.
> When people – a Pope –
> start creating dark areas with the WORD of God that is so simply spelt out
> in
> the Bible, I worry. I hold them to higher standards because then they are
> giving room for Man to falter and continue living in SIN.
> Do you see how many
> people –especially our Resident Crusader for a Science fiction called GAY
> RIGHTS alias Mr. Boh Herbert – now construct the Pope's sentence as a
> license
> to continue living in SIN.
> Not for himself – the bloody
> hypocrite – but for some others!
> Why would a man CRUSADE
> for OTHER PEOPLE TO LIVE IN SIN?
> So that the Lord God
> will damn them while sparing him?
> Lie,
> Lie to Lie-Lie.
> The things that cause
> Sin are bound to come but WOE betides him through whom those things come !
> Luke 17:1 NIV
> Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are
> bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come.
> Mr. Pope ought to know
> this as well.
> As well as this: MANY
> STRIPES for the POPE!
> For this SERVANT of the
> Lord God KNOWS the Lord's WILL and does not Do according
> to the Lord's Will and to him that much is given; much shall be required of
> him!
> Luke 12:46-48
> King James Version (KJV)
> 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him,
> and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will
> appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.47 And that servant, which knew
> his lord's will, and prepared not himself,
> neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.48 But
> he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be
> beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be
> much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask
> the
> more.
> I do not believe in Papal INFALLIBILITY.
> God is INFALLIBLE, not man.
> I underline it to you thatChristianity is not a RELIGION but it is a
> RELATIONSHIP between the Man
> and his God and the only way the Man know the Lord God is by his WORD and
> through his WORD because then God is HIS WORD. In the beginning was the
> WORD
> and the WORD was with god and the WORD was God.
> God is his word.
> And I CHANGETH NOT, the
> Man says himself!
> The man who yells: What
> the POPE SAY...should rather be worried that he has not seen or would not
> see:
> WHAT the LORD GOS says in his WORD the BIBLE.
> I am interested in the
> infallibility of the WORD of GOD, not in PAPAL INFALLIBILITY: Not in the
> infallibility of the doctrine of a church because then we know or we ought
> to
> know better.
> In case you are not
> aware consider the spread of THIS THING in the Roman Catholic Church and why
> it
> is so. Why do priests sodomize unfortunate little boys: Is it because of
> SIN,
> because they have Sin in them or because they have opened the way for SIN to
> be
> in them? Consider the Word of god as per IDOLATORY – See Exodus 20-1-5 and
> Romans 1-18-32 and the thing becomes clear.
> You call me a 'self-righteous
> preacher', do you?
> You err.
> The Bible is SELF-RIGHTEOUS;
> the book says so of itself. Why fault A MESSENGER who is just showing us
> what
> is written: Blame the Bible!
> Do note the
> light-hearted spirit with which that specific post was written despite the
> gravity of the issue. I am a Bible scholar and I draw my inspiration from
> My
> Education in and TEACHINGS thereof of the Bible topics that I deal with.
> Once more, I am not
> talking RELIGION or a specific Religious Organization or Organized Religion:
> I
> am talking Bible, the WORD of God, what is WRITTEN, not what a MAN or a
> group
> of MEN SAY.
> Take time off to read
> what is ACTUALLY IN THE BIBLE: You will be surprise on how many WRONG
> THINGS
> YOU HAVE BELIEVED!
> For those desirous of a
> CONVERSATION on Bible issues meet me at:
> https://www.facebook.com/prayerpointpowerpoint
> This is the Main Portal
> of my Worldwide Ministry with circa 3000 people present from all over the
> world. I do hold regular teachings exhortation, edification and comfort
> sessions: that you may also be HEWN by the Prophet.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:58 PM, john ntam jkmukong@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>To the best of my understanding, the Pope did not make things clear on
>> this issue, if were the Pope I would have told the whole world to say NO
>> TO HOMOSEXUALITY PRACTICES. He would have let Christians know that it is a
>> sin or not a sin. Pope Benedict never wanted to comment on this issue,
>> some people think that it was the main reason that triggered him to
>> resign
>>Kfutua
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Emmanuel Yem nsomgwe74@yahoo.co.uk>
>>To: AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com; AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com; boyo@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:10 AM
>>Subject: [BOYO] Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to
>> judge?x27;
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>The Pope was clear.gay is a sin.the door is close for female priest becos
>> christ never had e female apostle. But God is love
>>Iboisi
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: JAMES CHUYUM jchuyum@yahoo.com>;
>>To: AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com>; boyo@yahoogroups.com
>> boyo@yahoogroups.com>;
>>Subject: Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'
>>Sent: Wed, Jul 31, 2013 3:53:07 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>Woin naghem,a
>>
>>The Pope did not endorse homosexuality. As the father of all children be
>> you a good or bad child he does not discriminate but wants LOVE which is
>> the greatest commandment of God to flow in us all. The bible rejects
>> prostitution and we all know it is a sin and live with it even in our
>> homes but Jesus Christ tells us that Prostitutes will find themselves in
>> Heaven before some of you who think you are righteous etc. He pope said
>> A gay person who is seeking God, who is of good will—well, who am I to
>> judge him? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well.
>> It says one must not marginalize these persons, they must be integrated
>> into society. The problem isn't this [homosexual] orientation—we must be
>> like brothers and sisters. The problem is something else, the problem is
>> lobbying either for this orientation or a political lobby or a Masonic
>> lobby.
>>
>>1, A gay person who is seeking
>> God...
>> Seek ye first the kingdom of God
>>2. Who am I to
>> judge.
>> God alone has the authority to judge them and not the Pope.
>>3. We must be like brothers and
>> sisters.
>> LOVE
>>4. The problem is something
>> else,
>> Lobbying (Orientation, Political or Masonic)
>>
>>
>>
>>Why did ( those who say the pope endorsed homosexuality) avoided that great
>> opening words of the Pontiff ?
>>
>>Chuyum
>>
>>
>>From: Herbert Boh herbertboh@yahoo.com>
>>To: "AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com" AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'chf
>>
>>
>>Bobe Yongabi,
>>
>>The Pope did not certainly say, as a certain now retired archbishop of
>> Yaounde said (with your support), that homosexuality is a crime against
>> humanity and the Pope will not do, as some have on this forum, rejoice in
>> the murder of someone who campaigned for gay rights.
>>
>>The Pope does his job by citing the Catechism of the Catholic Church as the
>> basis for his teaching and the media does its job by relying on the
>> practice of journalism that allows journalists to comment, interpret and
>> editorialize on any position taken by the Pope or anyone else in the news.
>> How is the media wrong? Who else in the news gets treated differently? Who
>> else in the news gets carried verbatim on all media outlets?
>>
>>Boh Herbert
>>
>>
>>
>>From: ngalim bernard yongabi ngalimben@yahoo.ca>
>>To: "AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com" AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:24 PM
>>Subject: Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'
>>
>>
>>Dear All,
>>
>>
>>At times it is very easy to be derailed. The point of focus is what the
>> Pope said and not what the media said he said. It is better to quote
>> verbatim what the Pope said. Fr. Ignatius has reproduced the Pope's
>> discussion with the media here under. It is important that we stop saying
>> what the Pope has not said. The Pope has not moved away from the
>> teachings of the Church. This is what the Pope said:
>>
>>
>>A gay person who is seeking God, who is of good will—well, who am I to
>> judge him? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well.
>> It says one must not marginalize these persons, they must be integrated
>> into society. The problem isn't this [homosexual] orientation—we must be
>> like brothers and sisters. The problem is something else, the problem is
>> lobbying either for this orientation or a political lobby or a Masonic
>> lobby.
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear people, let us be honest to ourselves by giving complete information.
>> It is really absurd we use the first 2 words of a sentence to describe a
>> complete article. Once more, the Pope hasn't gone out of the Church's
>> teaching on this issue. Kindly take note of his reference to the Catechism
>> of the Catholic Church.
>>
>>
>>Please, don't be fooled by the press and the lobbies the pope is
>> condemning.
>>
>>
>>By little token
>>
>>
>>NBY
>>
>>
>>From: Ignatius Waindim iwaindim@yahoo.co.uk>
>>To: "AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com" AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:53:52 AM
>>Subject: Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'
>>
>>
>>Dear everybody, Would the following be a useful contribution to the debate?
>> It consists of what actually happened on the Pope's return trip to Rome:
>> "ABOARD THE PAPAL AIRCRAFT — Pope Francis reached out to gays on Monday,
>> 29 July,
> saying he wouldn't judge priests for their sexual orientation in a
> remarkably open and wide-ranging news conference as he returned from his
> first foreign trip.
>>"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I
>> to judge?" Francis asked.
>>His predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, signed a document in 2005 that
> said men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests.
> Francis was much more conciliatory, saying gay clergymen should be
> forgiven and their sins forgotten.
>>Francis' remarks came Monday during a plane journey back to the Vatican
>> from his first foreign trip in Brazil.
>>He was funny and candid during a news conference that lasted almost
> an hour and a half. He didn't dodge a single question, even thanking the
> journalist who raised allegations reported by an Italian newsmagazine
> that one of his trusted monsignors was involved in a scandalous gay
> tryst.
>>Francis said he investigated and found nothing to back up the allegations.
>>Francis was asked about Italian media reports suggesting that a group
>> within the church tried to blackmail fellow church officials with
> evidence of their homosexual activities. Italian media reported this
> year that the allegations contributed to Benedict's decision to resign
>>While stressing Catholic social teaching that calls for homosexuals
> to be treated with dignity and not marginalized, Francis said it was
> something else entirely to conspire to use private information for
> blackmail or to exert pressure.
>>Francis was responding to reports that a trusted aide was involved in an
>> alleged gay tryst a decade ago. He said he investigated the
> allegations according to canon law and found nothing to back them up.
> But he took journalists to task for reporting on the matter, saying the
> allegations concerned matters of sin, not crimes like sexually abusing
> children.
>>And when someone sins and confesses, he said, God not only forgives but
>> forgets.
>>"We don't have the right to not forget," he said."
>>
>>
>>Let us note that concerning homosexuality, the Pope talked about
>> "orientation". He was not talking about active gay fornication, or the
>> so-called gay marriage. Yet sin, when recognized and humbly confessed with
>> the resolve not to sin again, can be forgiven. This resolve includes
>> avoiding future occasions of sin. And when God forgives, he forgets. It
>> requires profound formation to recognize what is SIN and what is not. A
>> person of good will who seeks the Lord tries to avoid sin - whether that
>> person is gay or straight.
>>
>>
>>What is Pope Francis' stand about sinning gays? Consider the following:
>>"Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, a 76-year-old Argentinean, was chosen as
>> the first Latin American pope on Wednesday. He will lead the world's 1.2
>> billion Catholics as Pope Francis. While his selection may be historic, it
>> may also mean more of the same when it comes to gay rights in the Catholic
>> Church.
>>Pope Francis is a conservative who is anti-gay marriage and anti-gay
>> adoption. He has described same-sex marriage as the work of the devil and
>> a "destructive attack on God's plan." He has also said that gay adoption
>> is a form of discrimination against children.
>>In 2010, Francis championed against a bill for same-sex marriage and gay
>> adoption, according to the National Catholic Register.
>>"[T]he Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can
> seriously harm the family," he wrote to the four monasteries in
> Argentina. "At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father,
> mother and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will
> be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human
> development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake
> is the total rejection of God's law engraved in our hearts."
>>He went on to describe it as a "'move' of the Father of Lies who
> seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God" and asked for
> lawmakers to "not act in error." In John 8:44, the Father of Lies is the
> devil.
>>Argentina approved same-sex marriage in 2010, making it the first Latin
>> American country to legalize the
> union, the New York Times previously reported. The country is also
> progressive when it comes to contraception. President Cristina Fernández de
> Kirchner has promoted free contraception and artificial insemination, the
> Associated Press notes. In the past, Francis has clashed with the
> Argentinean government over his stance on these issues."
>>
>>
>>Pope Francis is against SIN, not against people who are genuinely trying,
>> in spite of their "orientation" to avoid sin and please God by their
>> lives.
>>
>>
>>Fiyinifi boisi
>>Salah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Wanaku wanaku@kompeople.org>
>>To: AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 17:04
>>Subject: Re: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'
>>
>>
>>Mr. Ofege If I am reading you right then it seems your rhetoric sounds
>> like that of a self-righteous preacher. Is it? Then I have no questions.
>> That must be the job you have been ordained to do. If not pardon my
>> misread of your text. Speaking of (you called it: "Wanaku ... own kind of
>> hunger")
>>hunger, I am not sure where "hunger" came from,
>>but I will repeat (again) - the goal is to discuss ways to create a
>> sustainable
>>Food, Shelter, Clothing + Literacy (in any language, includingitanghiKom)
>>strategy for Kom Kingdom.
>>
>>I do not know how to make it sound simpler than it is already.
>>Once again it is a suggested discussion scope.
>>
>>I hope that does not prevent you from your good work.
>>I will also suggest creating an online space where you can do some
>>more of that kindof workuninhibited by our modest efforts to resolve other
>>kinds of (to use your word) "hunger".
>>~wv
>> On 7/30/2013 9:44 AM, Ofege Ntemfac wrote:
>>
>>>Bo Chia Nkwain,
>>>No
>>>Not me.
>>>I will not sound condescending to anyone.
>>>That is not my style.
>>>Hey we are on the same side.
>>>Wanaku wants us to talk his own kind of hunger whereas We HUNGER and
>>> THIRST FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS. This I know: Seek ye first the Kingdom of God
>>> and his Righteousness and the OTHERS WILL BE ADDED UNTO THEE - pressed
>>> down, shaken together and running over shall MEN GIVE UNTO THEE.
>>>On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Ofege Ntemfac ntemfacnchwete@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>Where angels fear to tread......
>>>>Dear Mr Boh,
>>>>I am afraid that, once again, your dross is showing.
>>>>Let me repeat myself for whatsoever it
> is worth.
>>>>Satanists
> – in the order of their Father, the
> devil – speak in half-gospels;
> ambiguous and
> misleading terms so that mankind
> should get the wrong message and
> perish. At the Temptation of Jesus, Satan
> spoke in half-gospels; ambiguous and misleading terms.
>>>>Let me show you something:
>>>>The Lord God himself says in Leviticus 18:22. Thou shall not practice
>>>> homosexuality, it is an abominable sin.
>>>>A GAY is one who practises
> HOMOSEXUALITY.
>>>>
>>>>And the Lord God in Romans 1:26-32 declares that being GAY is a package
>>>> wherein the GAY is also..filled
> with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness,
> maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
> 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil
> things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenant-breakers,
> without natural
> affection, implacable, unmerciful: unsociable.See how ridiculous you are -
> inane too, I might add.How can you possibly be all of the above and be none
> of the above?
>>>>
>>>>How can you be practising SIN and be accepted by God?
>>>>The double-speak of the possessed.
>>>>
>>>>As if, we should ask PIGS to come into our parlours and have a seat.You
>>>> see, God loves MAN but God hates Sin.
>>>>SIN is anything that is CONTRARY TO THE
> WORD OF GOD. And the specific Sin of
> homosexuality is regimented by the Lord
> God himself. I will show you shortly why you
> have absolutely no clue regading the stakes of this issue.
>>>>On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Herbert Boh herbertboh@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>And the Pope has spoken! Long live the Pope!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Boh Herbert
>>>>>
>>>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>On Jul 29, 2013, at 9:23 PM, nkwain chia nkwain@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Greetings to all out there. I must say it beats my understanding to see
>>>>>> the vehemence with which some of us advocate evasiveness towards a
>>>>>> topic of such social, moral and spiritual relevance. I could not be
>>>>>> 'prouder', so to speak, to follow Bobe Ntam's line of reasoning. The
>>>>>> Kom tribe may be ridden with poverty, yes, but I am afraid Bobe Ofege
>>>>>> and Wanaku sound too condescending to me when they seem to reduce us
>>>>>> to some wretched upland savages who should be so carried away by the
>>>>>> age-old issues of hunger, shelter and diseases that current issues
>>>>>> should not be any of our business. Even if that were to be the case,
>>>>>> then as Bobe Ntam logically puts it, addressing this topic does not
>>>>>> entail evading any other topics. By the way, is homosexuality really
>>>>>> that much of a distant reality to us as Kom people? If you think it
>>>>>> may still have to take a few more years to invade the very depths of
>>>>>> our fondom, you may be right but what about the millions of our other
> brothers and sisters living in the diaspora and the poor children (future
> leaders of Kom) being born there even as we speak. Or should this forum
> discuss only issues that have to do with my hungry mother or brother who
> live at Ameng village or Advuk?
>>>>>>May we all stay blessed
>>>>>>Chia Nkwain
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>From: Wanaku
>>>>>>>To: AFOaKOM@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 9:03 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: [AFOaKOM] Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bobe, You are right about quoting (referencing others) when
>>>>>>> publishing scientific work. If I talked about "writing our (not
>>>>>>> 'my') own book", I am referring to "us" as a community "writing our
>>>>>>> own book", which (if my communication is any good at this point)
>>>>>>> implies "helping ourselves" as opposed to waiting for some other
>>>>>>> entity to do it for us. I think we slid out of topic again.
>>>>>>> Probably my fault. We should focus here on helping our people in
>>>>>>> solving/resolving the perennial problems of: Food, Shelter,
>>>>>>> Clothing + Literacy. There is enough in these areas to keep us busy
>>>>>>> for a very long time. And this does not prevent anyone from doing
>>>>>>> diligence to their personal beliefs. Thanks for your kind feedback.
>>>>>>> iBois+ ~wv --- In mailto:AFOaKOM%40yahoogroups.com, challow ntam
>>>>>>> wrote: > > Bobe Wanaku, > > well not as easy as you think. So
>>>>>>> many students,at the level of Masters > even,still can't quote as
>>>>>>> easily as you think. Find out. Before
> one > publishes a scientific work, he does some research on that area ,
> makes > references to earlier publications, then goes ahead to reveal his
> research > and leaves it open,and everything that happened before is a
> foundation, > anything after,would only add up to what has been done. If
> you can't quote > others,and think you want to write your own book, don't
> expect someone else > to read your work,let alone quoting your work. Well
> if you want to write > your own book and feel happy about no one quoting
> you, then good for you. > After all what is wrong in speaking to yourself?
>> > Ntam > > > > > On 29 July 2013 21:31, Wanaku wrote: > > > ** >
>> > > > > Bobe Challow, > > > > First thing I want to say is: there is
> (and cannot be) censorship on here > > simply because it does not make
> sense. > > Secondly, the quote you use can be discussed and parsed in
> several > > different ways: > > > > "Man shall not live on bread alone"
>>
> > Really? I am not sure discussing/parsing this quote will help anyone. So
> I > > will let it slide. > > > > I will keep saying that our focus here
> should be (and this is not forcing > > anyone - just a suggestion) > > How
> to keep Kom on the road to a sustainable Food, Shelter, Clothing and > >
> Literacy future. > > > > It is not an easy thing to do (or talk about). >
>> That might explain why few would like to talk about (discuss) those > >
> subjects. > > It is easy to quote from a book - it is written already. > >
> What I am suggesting is for us to write our own book. > > That's a more
> challenging proposal. > > > > iBois+ > > ~wv > > > > > > > > On
> 7/29/2013 2:13 PM, challow ntam wrote: > > > > > > Bobe Wanaku, > > > >
> "Man shall not live on bread alone". With food,shelter and the best > >
> means of moving from point A to point B,if you do not have a sound mind,in
>> > a sound body, (good health), you are not getting anywhere. One
> of your > > favorite sayings has always been " If you do not let some one
> speak,how > > would you know what is in their minds"? You have realized
> that this > > topic.like some others has been around for a while. This is
> what the people > > have decided to talk about for now. If I was a betting
> man, I'd put all I > > have, that no one has stopped looking for food and
> shelter because of the > > discussion we have here, no one has gone to bed
> hungry,because papa and > > mama spent time on this topic. No better
> idea,that could give us more > > grains and vegetables has been relegated
> to the background. I respect your > > opinion about bringing an end to this
> topic,but I completely disagree with > > it in any shape and form because
> no matter how u present it, it looks (to > > me),like censorship. > > > >
> Ntam > > > > > > On 29 July 2013 20:38, Wanaku wrote: > > > >> > >> >
>>> Bobe Ofege, > >> I thought the Pope had closed this discussion
> > >> but it seems he has just poured kerosene on it. > >> I am not sure
> what each person's goal is > >> spending time/resources on this topic. >
>>> I guess there is something about it (more than other topics like Food, >
>>> Shelter, Clothing, Literacy) > >> that makes a human go: "Mmh! I have to
> say something > >> about this". And they do. > >> > >> Again, if you ask
> me, in our context (that of Kom) > >> I think that we have more pressing
> issues to talk about > >> and do, than trying to fix an issue that most are
> > >> bothered about and few have any real solution for. > >> > >> On the
> other hand, some societies (or contexts) that > >> have solved(or resolved)
> some basic human problems, > >> now have ample time to discuss/debate/argue
> about > >> whether a human should behave one way or the other. > >> > >>
> Given that we have so much work to do in our communities > >> I am not sure
> we can afford the time to sit around and > >> wonder
> what x and y are involved in some deviant behaviour or not. > >> Again it
> is like discussing strategies of how to catch > >> fish, when we do not
> even have water to drink. > >> > >> Kom needs sustainable solutions for
> the following: > >> Food, Shelter, Clothing and a robust revival of 100%
> Literacy for ALL. > >> > >> That is how we can move our people from point
> A to B > >> whether they pray to Buddha, Jesus, Mohamed or Tangnankoli. >
>>> ALL of them need Food, Shelter, Clothing and the ability > >> of
> READ/WRITE (in any language they choose: itanghiKom preferably). > >> > >>
> We should discuss about these issues and how to make them become real in >
>>> our communities rather than trying to catch fireflies thrown into the >
>>> global town square by the western media. It is a smart topic to distract
>> >> (and take a lot of productive time) away from issues that are burning
> at > >> our feet to solve - burning more than the jiggers in our
> kids classrooms in > >> some of our primary schools. > >> > >> Bobe
> Ofege, if you ask me I'd say (again in our context), the best way to > >>
> preach (gospel, koran, bhagavad gita etc) is to DO. We need more doing on >
>>> the ground for our people than all the alleluia/amen/lord this lord > >>
> that/prophet here prohet there etc ... But then I may be wrong because some
>> >> humans - at given stages in their lives - might need a given style of
>> >> preaching to save themselves (from themselves). So like I said here, it
> is > >> just my opinion. The trick for every preacher is to find those who
> can > >> listen (not just those who have ears). > >> > >> Any preacher
> who has solutions for my people (Kom), I am all ears. > >> Anything else is
> a waste of valuable time. Again, just my opinion. > >> > >> iBois+ > >>
> ~wv > >> > >> > >> --- In mailto:AFOaKOM%40yahoogroups.com, Ofege Ntemfac
> wrote: > >> > > >> > Wanaku, > >> > I just made this
> Post to Chief Taku. > >> > You may find it stimulating > >> > > >> > The
> Chief, > >> > The issue cannot be Judging PEOPLE because Romans 2 and
> Romans 14 > >> > specifically proscribe the Christian from JUDGING ANYONE.
>> >> > All have sinned and come short of the GLORY OF GOD. > >> > The issue
> is this bewildering celebration of WHAT GOD condemns so much > >> > so that
> a man told me in these set of chambers that THE WORLD WILL NOT > >> > BE
> RULED BY THE BIBLE! > >> > The issue is the flouting of an abominable
> choice, a practice, a > >> > custom into our faces! > >> > As if, we
> should ask PIGS to come into our parlours and have a seat. > >> > You see,
> God loves MAN but God hates Sin. > >> > SIN is anything that is CONTRARY TO
> THE WORD OF GOD. > >> > And the specific Sin of homosexuality is regimented
> by the Lord God > >> > himself. See Romans 1. > >> > Also, the Word of God
> on the TOPIC IS VERY PRECISE; Leviticus 18:22. > >> > Thou shall
> not practice homosexuality, it is an abominable SIN. > >> > I have been
> greatly inspired by this super sermon from one of my > >> > pastors, Bishop
> TD Jakes: Bad Boys and Girls (which we all are) and > >> > the God who
> loves them. > >> > God loves Man but he hates SIN. > >> > And the Lord,
> God especially delights in the Man or WOMAN who repents > >> from SIN. >
>>> > Not enjoy SIN! > >> > Not PROMOTE SIN! > >> > NOT PROPAGATE SIN > >>
>> Not so much enjoy SIN that they demand of MANKIND that we celebrated > >>
>> their deviant lifestyle with them. > >> > Whereas this SIN pollutes the
> land and hence affects us directly. > >> > Do you know that if you see your
> brother in Sin and you do nothing to > >> > show him his wrong ways, you
> are also guilty? > >> > The Lord GOD..FORGAVE US…our sins LONG AGO but if
> we continue to SIN > >> > and delight in sin. > >> > See the VERDICT, and
> WHY SIN CANNOT and should not be celebrated. > >> > Hebrews
> 10:26-29. New King James Version (NKJV) > >> > The Just Live by Faith >
>>> > 26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the
>> >> > truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain
> > >> > fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will >
>>> > devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies >
>>> > without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how >
>>> > much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who >
>>> > has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the > >> >
> covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the > >> >
> Spirit of grace? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 7/29/13, Wanaku wrote:
>> >> > > Will this end the discussion on related subjects? > >> > > The
> media and human curiosity will not let it stop > >> > > So some media
> people ask the Pope questions about so-called "gays": > >>
> > > > >> > > Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?' > >> > > Excerpt:
> > >> > > ""If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good
> will, > >> who > >> > > am I to judge?"" > >> > > Comment/Note: > >> > >
> Pope Francis is a Jesuit Pope > >> > > "The Jesuits encourage toleration
> for other religions, teach other > >> > > theology in their institutions,
> and also believe in free education for > >> > > all." > >> > > Source: >
>>> > > > >>
> http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/29/pope-francis-on-gays-who-am-i-to-judge/
>> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >
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